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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 19, 2004 21:35
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You have to be a professional in order to buy cds all the time?What kind of thinking is this?Most people buy original music because they want the best quality possible and because they like the package and the feel of originality.You dont have to be a dj or an artist or a promoter to buy original.All you have to be is a real music fan and nothing more.
Earthdrum my perspective is that people should buy things that they like,love and they want to support,i cant see anything wrong with that and i dont know also where is the connection with Britney Spears fans.
Its easy to speak about dreams but the real world is tottally different.Like it or not psychedelic music has to do with business and is part of todays music industry.
If you have any other suggestions concerning how psy trance music should be sold or distributed then throw them on the table for discussion.
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psyblanca
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Posted : Jun 20, 2004 03:39
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DETOX wrote:
Yes but discobole is not the only trance shop in our country and in Athens you know.
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yes i know it. saikosound and space om have the same prices, and i think space om is a litle bit more expensive |
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psyblanca
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Posted : Jun 20, 2004 03:52
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On 2004-06-20 03:39, EarthDrum wrote:
MP3 is crap....try downloading on APE format for lossless compression.
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no one has ape format man.and ape format is too big |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 20, 2004 04:01
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Well if you think that Space Om is better than Discobole then just shop from there 
Search before you buy people
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elias
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 00:21
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Atractive:
1)bonus tracks via official labels site(like Nano rec does)
2)a bonus video cd(like Chiva shandra does)
3)mind games in cd
4)if you buy lot of cds from a label, lets say a historic one,the label offer to you a bonus cd from his first realeses(the authentication is easy for labels)
5)o short description of the label in a small book (like Return to The Source did,with party and artist photos)
6)include in cds software that goes u in virtual tour in labels site with dj mixes,unrealesed and never will realesd tracks
7)even the covers are very cheesy
fractals,alliens,robots,
a cover that push the cd in my opinion must be very simple(even a blank one)
8)here is the first rule how the cds market could be attractive.must be
CHEAPER
or else we will have records stores with fresh and mindblowing sounds and no ears to listen these sound,exept the 1 or in very rare cases 2 men that work in these stores(imagine these tow guys in this store,they will have plenty of time to talk about this situation and how to get out of this)
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 02:23
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1)Its not easy to provide bonus tracks,there has to be a special aggreement with the artist of the track and i dont personally know many artists that are willing to provide their music for free on the net as a bonus tune.Even if you provide such a track people will find it on the net from the first day of the release of the cd...
2)I think that a bonus video cd adds more to the production of a release and to its selling price rather making it more interesting,and as i said before the videos are free for download since the first day of the release...
3)What do you mean by mind games?I remember a very nice pyramid that the Shapeshifter album by Space Tribe included into the original cd which was a very good and attractive idea,is that the case?
4)How can a label know that you have bought many of its releases?Its not so easy to track this thing out i think.
5)This is a very good idea,i always liked booklets into cds like the ones that Ticon and Son Kite have in their albums plus some booklets with artists story and photos from some other labels.
6)This is a very expensive concept.I think Hadshot Haheizar tried it once in its Undercover compilation that had the best cover ever in my humble opinion hehe.
7)How much someone likes a cover is just a matter of taste,for example i like the new Son Kite cover which is extremely minimal and simple but the rest of my friends dont like it at all.
8)The labels sell their cds for 5-6.5 euros on average.How much the cd will be sold on the net and on local record stores is a very very big story that has to do with the number of hands that the cd will change before reaching its final destination.
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other_reality
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 22:43
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Fuck that, nobody owns the music. Music is not for sale, and no one, even the producer, has the right to declare it his own. Music is divine and cosmic, given to us by the gods. I make music myself and i give it for free. Mp3 is just crap quality. So I buy because i want to listen to it as it was intended. If i get my hand on some mp3's, well, i won't say no. What about the dj's, who get paid to play with downloads. I know lots of them here in greece, everybody is now a dj, with a huge music collection ready to -rock- the stage !! These are the people who should be ashamed of themselves
Bring yourselves into the light
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 00:35
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Other_Reality i dont think that a guy that includes in his sets mp3's can actually be called a DJ.
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movek
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 01:17
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mp3j maybe? 
Aει ο θεος ο μεγας γεωμετρει το συμπαν = 3,1415926 |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 01:21
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Winamp probably LOL
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delight
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 04:03
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nice informative topic. |
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 14:08
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On 2004-06-17 20:45, DETOX wrote:
Constructed most of the professional artists own original copies of the software that they use for making their music.
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"most"??????? BULLSHIT! and u know it!
cheers.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 14:22
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djnomolos you are saying that i am lying?
What for?
To support Cubase and Logic companies?
LOL
Come on be serious,i know that most of the artists own original copies of their software thats why i am saying it in public,i can even think of some names like Deedrah,S Range and The Antidote that just came to my mind.Do you have any other facts saying the opposite?
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chairman_of_the_bored
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Posted : Jul 3, 2004 19:17
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hello ppl, first message in this forum!
Well i was quite amazed with the attitude of some of the people here, regarding the download or not issue.
While I believe 100% that whatever one likes, he should support it, I think that there are other ways, except buying cds., e.g attending a live event for your favourite artist, or buying some (how many depends on what each individual can afford) cds, etc etc.
In any case look the results that this attitude has brought to the rock scene. Most rock "artists" are too lazy to make a concert for anything less, than a really good deal of euros. There are (or they become) in it for the money, the really big money. I thought that in the psytrance, and dance in general scene, money is not still the primary goal. I hope i was right.
The artist should get rewarded, but I do not think that really big money is the real reward a real artist is after to. So this download or not issue is in principal meaningless. Support the artists by any means you can and at the level you can.
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and another bit of amazement was that music is about the physical entity of the cd, the sleeve or the act of buying it.
Well music is not:
-The cd case, the cd cover, the sleeve in general.
-the cd, the lp, the mp3 or the physical medium on which music is recorded and sold.
-Music is not the joy that we all have when we are buying a new cd, or buying our 3532st cd of our vast cd/lp collection. This is consumerism joy, towards which i am pretty conciliated and i have
small problems with it, in principal. But this joy is not music. This joy can be felt also by buing the latest Replay t-shirt, Mercedes car, DENON hi-fi or whatever.
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Music are the emotions that are generated to our brains by hearing to these sound waves. That's music, and whether it is downloaded or bought is totally irrelevant. Support the artists but music is on the first place about sharing not owning.
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Or as this guy (www.fusionanomaly.net) puts it "more and more people are getting skilled at recognizing what is a product, and what is art. the gauge? $$$. if it's sold, it's entertainment, and a product. if it's given away, then the value system is turned upside down. "
Someone above said that it is better to hear stuff than to """"steal""" something. Someone could argue it is better to hear something that its creator would give it away for free, than hearing something that it is actually sold.
and as far the mp3 quality vs the cd quality issue, for high encoding and for most of us the difference is really minimal and its effect on the way we perceive in our soul music is even less significant.
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 14:27
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On 2004-06-30 14:22, DETOX wrote:
djnomolos you are saying that i am lying?
What for?
To support Cubase and Logic companies?
LOL
Come on be serious,i know that most of the artists own original copies of their software thats why i am saying it in public,i can even think of some names like Deedrah,S Range and The Antidote that just came to my mind.Do you have any other facts saying the opposite?
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no not laying....just not facing the truth!
YES i have MANY names of artists but u know its not as nice to post the names of the thieves as it is to post the names of your friends that have original so u relize i will not post any names!!!
but Detox.....as i said maybe 10% have originals....
original Waves Bundle?????? dont thik so!
cheers.
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