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Download or not?

Natural High/Nats
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jun 17, 2004 17:03
Copy save music...
Music is Universal and Cosmic gift...
The Artist has a BIG pleasure to MAKE his music
and to play his music....
Maybe I make sad some people here
But this is my opinion... Iraklis Nats
DETOX
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Posted : Jun 17, 2004 20:45
Constructed most of the professional artists own original copies of the software that they use for making their music.

Nats you said that music is universal and a cosmic gift and that artists get a big pleasure from creating and playing their music.Nobody denies that BUT it doesnt mean that an artist shouldnt be paid for all the effort and money that he invests in his studio for making this music and ofcourse it doesnt mean that an artist shouldnt get payed for playing his music at a party just because he gets big pleasure when he plays his music.

Copying is good for making trance music more popular but on the other side it kills undoubtely the labels that play a major role in the psychedelic trance scene.

If one day all labels die then many many artists will stop creating music or keep creating music in a very slow rate because they will have to get morning jobs to support themself and their familly and will not have time to spend on the studio not to mention that they will not have money to invest on the studio in order to purchase new equipment and make even better music.

Anyway thats just me....           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
orange
Fat Data

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Posted : Jun 17, 2004 22:20
Quote:

On 2004-06-17 16:14, absolutzero wrote:
i'm sure that all the music producers have the original software





heyy man i make music and i have given more then 2000e to have my software original i can say im perfect i have used copies and i still use some but most of it genuine.
dont put everyone in the same bag man
psyblanca


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Posted : Jun 18, 2004 00:34
To download music is not bad because you can hear the music and if you like it you can byu it.

But the problem is that the cds here is too expensive for example here in greece the most cds cost €18,9 but in other countries 11.98€.

Check this links:

http://www.trance-shop.com/de/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3812

http://www.discobole.gr/product.asp?pid=62866

ALSO THE GREEK MUSICS SHOPS KILLS THE MUSIC
DETOX
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Posted : Jun 18, 2004 01:10
Yes but discobole is not the only trance shop in our country and in Athens you know.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
XrTC


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Posted : Jun 18, 2004 01:20
this topic has been talked over and over on isratrance.........

you can't force anyone to buy cd's or stop them from downloading music.

but my suggestion is: when you download a cd and you really like it then please support the scene by buying it the next morning.

it's hard for me to say ( ) but i agree with detox in this one.


trust me, you will never understand how bad it is not to buy music unless you try making some music yourselves...............


p.s. i don't believe anyone here would be able to afford ADSL and yet not be able to buy some cd's!          .
Respect is earned, not demanded...
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http://www.myspace.com/xrtcmusic
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 18, 2004 01:29
ADSL in our country costs the same every month like purchasing 4 original cds.

But ofcourse people prefer downloading 100 cds in mp3 format rather having 4 original ones....           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
XrTC


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Posted : Jun 18, 2004 01:59
no i am not saying that instead of paying for ADSL, people should stick with 56k and buy 4 cd's per month.

i am saying that ADSL is not at all affordable in our country and if someone (or his parents) is able to pay for ADSL, then he could also be able to buy some cd's...           .
Respect is earned, not demanded...
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http://www.myspace.com/xrtcmusic
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 18, 2004 02:16
Yes but people cannot get ADSL for free (like they do with music cds) so they pay for their internet connection but prefer to steal for their music.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
orange
Fat Data

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Posted : Jun 18, 2004 08:03
this topic has gone to far !!!
the bottom line is that if you whana download music download it but its like having a fake adidas (abibas)

shit man identical in the out side but not adidas you still can walk and run and dance with it but theyare abibas and not adidas you get what you pay you decide after all..

orange
psy-vibe
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 18, 2004 10:16
hmm..i want to ask something my fellow greeks.how many of you have travelled around the whole world?and met music producers there??i have travelled very litle and met much less producers.so the internet and downloading comes forward and i ask,

HOW WHOULD I KNEW ARTISTS LIKE MORJIA,CUSMO AND MANY OTHERS FROM BALI,THAILAND,MAROCCO AND DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE...??

i admit it then...i am downloading music like mad...and then i go and buy what i like,not in greek shops which have very limited and a bit crap cd's but on the net- saikosounds is really good

i hope one day i will buy music like mad,because all the mp'3s i have can't compare with a single audio cd,because of the sound mastering,the artwork and of course the support to the companies and the artists...

...until that day though,i have to support myself           For me there is only the traveling on the paths that have a heart, on any path that may have a heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge for me is to traverse its full length. And there I travel--looking, looking, breathlessly...
DETOX
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Posted : Jun 18, 2004 14:40
Psy Vibe the thing is that you buy what you like!

Here we are talking about people that never buy original cds and they are proud of that.

And about the artists that you mentioned,when an artist hasnt released anything then i guess its ok to download music since you cant buy it anyway.On the other hand you can wait for him to release something but ok thats another story.

I think that the main thing here is for people who download music from all the major labels and artists that you can find their released music everywhere on net shops and record stores but instead of buying and supporting the scene they just download and share and TRADE on the internet.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
elias


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Posted : Jun 19, 2004 01:01
Downloading music is illegal and harms the trance music industry

i agree with u Detox,and the labels say the same thing.
we buy music and we have and optional thoughts.

Why labels dont make their products more attractive?
Why labels ,distributors net shops dont low the prices of products(i know that a market in time of crisis change many things.imagine a super market in a middle developed country,if general manager of this store wait the people of this country to become richer to buy his product then the store will shotdown)
It is good idea for a label to produce every 20 days cd(just for realising without any quality control?) i thing many labels have this policy,and then these labels complain for this difficult situation and
THEN throw the ball to all of us

The Piracy increase so the labels claim that all these PIRATES are in condition consumers.this is wrong for me

Big conversation we open.

DETOX
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Posted : Jun 19, 2004 02:40
Elias what do you mean when you ask why labels dont make their products more attractive.For me attractive means a cd with good music and good cover,do you have any further suggestions?

A cd cant get lower than 12-13 euros my friend which is the average price on the net shops.Labels have to make profit and cover their production expenses,distributors have to make profit and shops have to make profits too.12-13 euros is an ok price for a cd if you ask me.

A label in my humble opinion should release a cd every couple of months,its a good time between cds and allows the label manager to make quality control like you said Elias.I dont aggree with labels that release cds all the time.


          Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
EarthDrum


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Posted : Jun 19, 2004 18:59
MP3 is crap....try downloading on APE format for lossless compression.

Buy the music that u like...and let professionals buy cds all the time.

Detox, its sad but true...i know...but with your perpective we are not different than Britney fans my dear...dont be afraid to think deeper. If psy music is sold like any other materialistic crap there is, than the dream is gone....whats free??
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