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Doubt in EQ, Octave, mixing problem
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Oct 15, 2014 17:11:52
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Hey everyone...
i was listen to a later Dimension 5 album...
wich sounds very fat analog sound, different from most latest Goa Trance high end sounds...
in this track at 6 seconds...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RrjW3JI7vo
starts a kinda of arppegiator, or complex melodie that sounds pretty fat analog with some sub...
my doubt is...
Wich octave seems that sound for u? Cause i tried to do this kinda of sound on my nordlead2x and the only way to achive simillar was at osc 1 = c2 osc2 =c1...but thats Bassline octave(c1), and u cant High Pass at 100hz cause would take away the low sub of that kinda of sound...but that clips the mix with kick and bass for me...soo i tried to make a high pass at 60hz with lowerd frequencies till 100hz..sounds close, but any way i still clips, dont know how this arpeggios melodies from analog dimension 5 synth fit soo well without clip...
i know,i know, its decent analog stuff, nord isent analog,but anyway,im trying just to make a fat low sound that wouldnt fucks with kick and bass...
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zabot
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Posted : Oct 15, 2014 16:53
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hey :) have u tried MS Eq? can work pretty well , try to remove the lows from the center, and leave the low part in stereo, autopan can help too, hope it helps .
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Oct 16, 2014 02:58
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Posted : Oct 16, 2014 02:58
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Oct 17, 2014 14:01
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Sounds like they may have some lows cut from the lead, maybe a 6 or 12db filter slope, this way you still have a lot of lows present but enough removed to sit with the kick/bass.
But the thing to remember is you ideally want there to be room for you kick and bass in the lows, but how much room they need is highly dependent on their freq content
For example in progressive the kick and bass take up so much low freq, and the leads have quite aggressive filter slopes, however in this track there seems to be more headroom in the lows and this allows the lead to be bassier.
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Oct 17, 2014 21:56
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On 2014-10-17 14:01, PRO-Gram wrote:
Sounds like they may have some lows cut from the lead, maybe a 6 or 12db filter slope, this way you still have a lot of lows present but enough removed to sit with the kick/bass.
But the thing to remember is you ideally want there to be room for you kick and bass in the lows, but how much room they need is highly dependent on their freq content
For example in progressive the kick and bass take up so much low freq, and the leads have quite aggressive filter slopes, however in this track there seems to be more headroom in the lows and this allows the lead to be bassier.
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yeah...great point...
this way, u are saying, i could have a lead at same octave as bass right...i cant have a bassy sylenth lead at c2+c1...but not a nordleadx c2+c1 usually, cause have much more power frequency....
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Oct 18, 2014 17:07
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What i'm saying is for the fatness and clarity, you cant have two sounds overlapping i.e bass and lead, both extremely rich in same harmonics, one has to make way for the other and have space to breathe.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 18, 2014 18:30
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Oct 18, 2014 20:27
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Colin is right, like i said in earlier post you can use a gentle filter slope or eq  but i meant to say they cant overlap without some kind of treatment.
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knocz
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Posted : Oct 19, 2014 17:45
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On 2014-10-18 20:27, PRO-Gram wrote:
Colin is right
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This happens a lot! Just about every time Please listen to The Man!
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Oct 20, 2014 04:07
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i dont uderstand what u tend to mean with "proportioned" coolin...
u mean that, if i take 3db from sound 1, i should up 3db same frequency range of sound 2?...
im not a noob, i just need to "imagine" that before trying it, and sometimes english leanguage confuses me....
12db slope at 100khz high pass seems good idea, im doing it, but still hard with headphones to perceive wich frequencies i should cut in this case...
its not soo simple as doing a rounding edges EQ with tracks on different octaves...its heard on headphones to see differences...
thanks
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Oct 20, 2014 12:48
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Eqing lower frequencies with headphones isnt easy, in fact not many top producers use them as the main mixing tool but as a back up to check certain elements.
By proportioned he means that they overlay smoothly, i.e dont have two sounds both with huge spikes at the same frequency, if you do remove some of overlapping frequency from one sound,
its all about balance.
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Oct 20, 2014 17:18
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On 2014-10-20 12:48, PRO-Gram wrote:
Eqing lower frequencies with headphones isnt easy, in fact not many top producers use them as the main mixing tool but as a back up to check certain elements.
By proportioned he means that they overlay smoothly, i.e dont have two sounds both with huge spikes at the same frequency, if you do remove some of overlapping frequency from one sound,
its all about balance.
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Yamaha hs 7 coming this friday 
after 8 months wait....
thanks alot,that whats i was thinking about the EQ, but not so clear...
but i think i will still have a hardwork on eq and overlaying sub frequncies on the lead i want to have some groove...
thanks for all u guys attention!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 21, 2014 21:06
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On 2014-10-18 18:30, Colin OOOD wrote:
...make sure that the overlapping frequency range is correctly proportioned for each sound.
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It's a bit difficult to describe precisely what I mean as it's about sound, not words, but I try and make sure that the overlapping frequency range of each sound is balanced both with the rest of that sound's spectrum, and with the equivalent range in the other sound, so that both sounds can be heard in that frequency range in the correct balance with each other according to the relative levels of each sound in the mix, and in the correct individual internal balance according to their intended function.
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Oct 24, 2014 02:29
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On 2014-10-21 21:06, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2014-10-18 18:30, Colin OOOD wrote:
...make sure that the overlapping frequency range is correctly proportioned for each sound.
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It's a bit difficult to describe precisely what I mean as it's about sound, not words, but I try and make sure that the overlapping frequency range of each sound is balanced both with the rest of that sound's spectrum, and with the equivalent range in the other sound, so that both sounds can be heard in that frequency range in the correct balance with each other according to the relative levels of each sound in the mix, and in the correct individual internal balance according to their intended function.
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i see...i just think i will need alot of pratice and ears to do that...some times what i do starts random, cuting trought frqeuencies until i find what can i cut....some times is visible...like, when the element A have alot of 1k-2k frequencies, is should cut a little bit the same on the element B to give space...i know, sounds noob, but EQ is something i need to pratice more...
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