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Does anyone still buy vinyl?

dj jaimz
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Posted : May 6, 2004 03:32
If you want that 'authentic vinyl sound', all you have to do is get your CDs, extract the audio, seperate the low end, compress it heavily, and mix it down from stereo to mono, then put it back into the track.

Voila! Instant vinyl sound. Because that's what that 'warm vinyl sound' actually is - an inferior product. A medium that can't cope with the wide range of sounds, and has to have its bottom end muddied in order to keep the needle in the groove.

It's like saying you like having bad reception on the TV 'cause all the static adds "colour and movement".

Oh, and for those interested, over the last year vinyl has accounted for 20% of all psytrance releases (ie, there's 1 vinyl release for every 4 CD releases), and has accounted for about 9% of all sales (ie, there's 1 vinyl sold for every 10 CDs sold). Those sums are pretty rough, but should give you an idea of why vinyl is on the decline in our scene.
Dr_Faguntes


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Posted : May 6, 2004 12:26
Quote:

On 2004-05-06 03:32, dj jaimz wrote:
Voila! Instant vinyl sound. Because that's what that 'warm vinyl sound' actually is - an inferior product.



Hummm...
You really don't know what you're talking about do ya?
dj jaimz
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Posted : May 6, 2004 14:02
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On 2004-05-06 12:26, Dr_Faguntes wrote:
Hummm... :eyes:
You really don't know what you're talking about do ya?



No, not really. But I've read a lot of material on the web about this subject, and that's what's stuck in my head. A brief search gave me a good thread on HyrdrogenAudio - http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?showtopic=7993

But really this is a silly argument, and not one I want to have. There are lots of advantages to vinyl - personally I very much miss the analog pitch of the Technics, but unfortunately there are many more advantages to CD, so vinyl will slowly but surely fade away.

For those DJs who are sticking by vinyl, I salute you. For one thing, I think you look a hell of a lot cooler than us CDJs. :-) [although I carry over 1000 tracks to each gig - how many do you carry? ;-P]
krelm
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Posted : May 6, 2004 14:58
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On 2004-05-06 14:02, dj jaimz wrote:
For those DJs who are sticking by vinyl, I salute you. For one thing, I think you look a hell of a lot cooler than us CDJs. [although I carry over 1000 tracks to each gig - how many do you carry? ;-P]



I bring a bag of records and a backpack with CDs - that way I look sexy for the girlies AND have 1000+ tracks at my disposal.
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duodenumz
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Posted : May 6, 2004 19:52
i think most people like to defend vinyl based on this time-tested reasoning - it's "warmer" and more "hands-on".

i have to admit that i do like the overall sound quality a bit better IF THE VINYL IS PROPERLY MASTERED AND CUT. unfortunately, many tracks come out sounding muffled on vinyl, and are further degraded by the surface noise.

i have been spinning techno for over 5 years, and vinyl is great for this style. i think other dirtier styles like hardcore also benefit from vinyl's sound. but trance just sounds better on CD.

what **I** miss most about vinyl is the precision of the pitch slider on a 1200. once you get pretty good at beatmatching, you can have a new tune in the mix and matched VERY quickly, and it will hardly drift.

still, the advantages of CDs are many. sound clarity. amount of music for your money. packaging. once you convert a tune to WAV, the sky is the limit. you edit the track to have a better flow, use it in digital mixing programs like Traktor, and create CD compilations that are 100% quality.

oh, i should add that i dislike CD mixing. if i'm going to mix digitally, it's using Traktor DJ. Traktor has TWO waveforms, looping, pretty good pitch resolution, and endless possibilities. i already have a laptop rig assembled, and i've been practicing for several months. IMO CDs are just a good medium for the music, but not very good for mixing it.
Zombi
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Posted : May 6, 2004 23:14
i almost dont buy vinyls at all, i did some period but at 80% parties i ask org for a TT i get nothing or a TT in condition i will never take a risc to play on, so its quite useless to buy vinyls here if u play at trance parties.. also with cd releases from labels such YSE, Hadshot, Millenium, Kamaflage, Plusquam, Bedrock, Baroque, MPQDX and others i get enough progressive stuff to make my cocktails of deep-broken-or-not-tech-tribal-house-trance, for sure more stuff coming out on black plastics but this days if u a good shopper u can get alot of interesting music on a cds..
with all the respect (and i have some) when i buy YSE double compi such chemical lovers, ticket to goa 4 or progressive goa trance i get 18 trax from which i like something like 10 or 8 and its like to buy 7-10 vinyls, ok i get it two months later (not allways, take as example debut Feed Me release of Filur which been released 3 months before on YSE cd) but what is two months for realy worth music ?
my minimal techno and real tech house (not progressive trancey) from labels such Treibstoff, Kompakt, Trapez or Playhouse i buy on cds also and have enough to play 5 hours of pretty new music, so i dont agree about cd vs vinyl batlle:)
but again, i play mixture of deep trance, progressive psy, progressive house and tech house, i dont need alot of stuff from each kind, i just need some realy good ones from every field to make a zombi cocktail:)          Believe your soul !
Enes


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Posted : May 7, 2004 12:44
I agree Zombi, but where do you get unmixed progressive house cds? I can't find any...
Basilisk
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Posted : May 7, 2004 17:39
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On 2004-05-06 19:52, duodenumz wrote:
what **I** miss most about vinyl is the precision of the pitch slider on a 1200. once you get pretty good at beatmatching, you can have a new tune in the mix and matched VERY quickly, and it will hardly drift.



Don't worry, neo full-on producers have solved this common difficulty by making all their songs the exact same BPM. Now you just choose the killaz, shake your fist, and pick up the girls with barely an effort!

Just kidding (only a little) but have you tried to mix on CDJ-1000s? with the extra .05 pitch resolution and that very responsive job wheel I find its just about as good as vinyl for the 'hands-on' feel. I still use CDJ-100s regularly for gigs and though they get a bit sticky with just 0.1 pitch resolution it isn't too much to get a sense of the timing for how often you have to give gentle pushes/pulls to keep tracks synched...
Zombi
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Posted : May 9, 2004 18:12
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On 2004-05-07 12:44, Enes wrote:
I agree Zombi, but where do you get unmixed progressive house cds? I can't find any...



some suggestions for you m8 -

V/A Choosen 1 (and 2 in very near future) - Hadshot Ha-Heizar
V/A - Chemical Lovers (YSE)
V/A - Ticket to Goa 4 (YSE)
V/A - Progressive Goa Trance (YSE)
Peter Gun album (Millenium)
Dr.DNA album (Save To Disc)
V/A - Tribal Planet (YSE)
V/A - Kamaflage 1,2,3 (Kamaflage)
Kooler album (Kamaflage)
Pope Of Gegga album (MPQDX)

and there is alot more, just watchem...

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Inu
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Posted : May 9, 2004 19:46
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On 2004-05-06 03:32, dj jaimz wrote:
If you want that 'authentic vinyl sound', all you have to do is get your CDs, extract the audio, seperate the low end, compress it heavily, and mix it down from stereo to mono, then put it back into the track.

Voila! Instant vinyl sound. Because that's what that 'warm vinyl sound' actually is - an inferior product. A medium that can't cope with the wide range of sounds, and has to have its bottom end muddied in order to keep the needle in the groove.



Take your vinyl record, sample it all at 44.1 Khz, and listen to it again... that's your compact disc

Actually, it's true that bass needs to be mono for a record. Basslines rarely use stereo panning anyway, so it's no big loss. And I find the "muddy" sound of certain vinyls (Etnica - Vimana) lends a certain earthy groundedness.


...OTOH, if all this music uses 16bit samples anyway, and is recorded on 48K DAT, you hardly lose anything at all with a CD. Eh, maybe I'm just into horrible old records           tiger got to hunt,
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tiger got to sleep,
bird got to land,
man got to tell himself he understand.
ecnalab


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Posted : May 19, 2004 21:00
Does anyone even mix with CD's anymore? Or is everyone mixing files off of laptops now? .. oh wait i jumped 5 years into the future           -xo Truffle Radio ox-
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Henry


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Posted : May 19, 2004 21:27
Vinyl was my way into dance music and I have over a thousand records which dominate my house. The first time I used technics 1210 was more memorable than the first time I....

However cds are the future and as far as releasing progressive house goes I wish the future would hurry up because its a real bummer trying to get records pressed.

The first record I pressed was in 2000 and it took 3 months to get the final cut right after two attended masterings and a couple of angry phone calls with the pressing plant. When we eventually got the records (only 500 as we didn't have a distribution deal) they had the same track pressed on both sides like the tp they had sent us to compare the last two cuts with eachother.

Anyone want a free record? I've got 495. Or what about a nice clock made out of a record (I've got 5).

H
tommybridals

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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 10, 2017 04:25
I still have around 400 oldschool vinyls - most of it is GOA
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