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Doctor Spook and bad/no payment !?!?
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saintcarl
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 00:50
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what are you stupid ???
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Sometimes, but I certainly would not give away a valuable possession or 3 to a somewhat stranger on the other side of the world with a promise that I would be payed in three months.
Lucky for me I am stupid enough to have a good professional job that pays well.
I think it is o.k. to compare a car to a program because if you STEAL either the OWNER would be pissed off.
I was trying to have you look at the situation from a different perspective.
Agreed spook has made promises that he has not kept. Bad spook.
Probably not a good idea to get into the psytrance business in the first place but he is following his heart. I know he is not intentionally stealing and squandering profits. Most likely sales did not meet projections i.e. people are not buying enough which means they are either downloading for free or not interested.
If you only interested in making money probably best to stick with bigger label with good reputation that pays up front and maybe make pop music or get a job like me.
Well thats it from me, back to the regular program...... |
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ENERGYLOOP
Energy Loop
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 01:18
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i woold have agrea whit you if i was the only person that he coned... more then 30 ppl ???? comeone... this is not one mistake this is a patern and a way this man do bussness.
 "fuck money..."
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Zman
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 03:07
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On 2007-06-21 12:08, Meta wrote:
Spook...
.... you live in the same basement, use the same animation studio computers that you've had since before the label started, drive the same shitty 1987 Toyota with the door smashed in...
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hahahahahhahahaha you made my morning 
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kin beat
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 05:53
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I will answer each one as they were asked.
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On 2007-06-22 14:37, tsabeat wrote:
@ kin beat
1.do you have a studio ? (i do , for creatng music)
I do just for Fun, I record friends of mine and help them to have their demos outhere besides working on edits and mixes for my own sets i do colaborations and side works for radio stations among many other things.
2.did you pay alone on your studio ? (i did , since this is life)
Ohh yea mi amigo I have always worked for what i own. nothig's better than that.
day job pays life and party! music might pay my bills but not my life or food thats for sure!
3.your studio cost over 15000$ ? (yap here it does , i wanna make quality toonz not to be another amatuere , it takes some gear!)
couldnt agreed more with you on this, and yes indeed my home studio may be worth some money. not too sure if more than $15,000usd like yours but makes me happy!
4. does a great track take a week to make ? (perhaps even more , i know great artists who nee 3 weeks for great track)
Could take ever longer depending on how do you manage your time and life.
like i said i have a life and a day job, dont know about you so i dont assume!.
5.did you allready spent 5 years on creaton and promotion for your dj/live act ? (i did , and im not going to be satisfied with 2 kids come to my show after download latest release)
well i have been involved in music since back in the late 90's singing and playing for a few bands so that makes it over 5 years, maybe not as you have done, as a psytrance artist but i've worked and done interships with coorporate US record labels as i have also worked and done job for Indie Labels. so i know how the music business is done.
6. do you eat ? (i do , and food cost money)
Of course I do and my parents dont pay it, since i was 18 i've lived on my own and pay for my own shit so I dont have to tell you where my food comes from, because its more than obvious than it gets paid from my day job at a confortable office where i wear a tie and polished shoes everyday!
such is life!
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have a great a day and do some research about D.I.Y. that might help you and your offended ego.
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Amaris Records
Amaris Records
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 08:04
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I have something to say and that is that artists are the most important people in this world of psytrance. We label managers and distributors are a small part of this whole set up, if not for the artists i would not be running a label.
The most important thing is to keep the artist at ease and especially with payments, they work their asses of to give you a good track and then if you turn around and don't pay them its just unfair.
Now whether the artists use fake software or use samples that is not our concern really, that is absolutely no reason to say why pay them then, a lot of artists depend on our payments for their livelihood.
As a label manager its my responsibility to pay the people who contribute the most integral part of my CD..the music! and to not pay them their dues is truly unethical.
Its like if the distributor takes our CD and refuses to pay us, i would be mad!!
Unfortunately a lot of work in this business of ours works on trust, and if a label and a big label screws up it affects all of us who are trying to be straight in this business, i understand its difficult to pay before release and stuff but the money HAS to be paid.
All in all to all the artists:-sorry you guys have had to go through this, its sad. Keep in mind that there are a lot of labels out there trying to do things the right way...its time for a change and the time is right now.
At the end of the day its a business for all of us!
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VA PSYENTOLOGY - Coming Soon!!
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 16:49
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@keen beat
my ego not offended , as long u dont gonna run a record label and ask me for music 
DIY pffahaha , u build your own dynaudio speakers ? or maybe your virus TI ?
or isnt DIY says i can do it myself so why do i need a record label at all ?
trust me mate , go buy the new hot gear your music will sound better.
sell your toonz for good label , and they get to more peaple then a sharing music site.
get payd good and u have nuff time to make better tunes. pritty simple 
you have hard time to see what is the diffrence between hoby and life goal.
for being succesfull artist it takes endless hours of work on production and p.r and possibly a website , not to mention the good spirit and vibes you need for inspiration , nothing that can be done along day job.
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Khopat
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 20:38
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I trully dont understand why some people are trying to turn this upside down , even if spook honestly doesnt have the money , he should reply to all this people , and explain his situation , only after artists become this subject public , he had the urge to defend himself ...bullshit! Im still waiting for him to contact me....is it so hard????
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mikeonacid
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 21:03
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Dr like only to post new releases of geomagnetic hahahaha.realy sad to listen all this well some labels fuck the artist some labels are fucked up from distributors this is TRANCE enywhays i hope there is a solution with this
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 21:34
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On 2007-06-23 21:03, mikeonacid wrote:
well some labels fuck the artist some labels are fucked up from distributors this is TRANCE enywhays i hope there is a solution with this
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there is
work with known good distro as label (saikosound for example)
artist on their side should insist on advence and normal fee (i think 300eu is minimum but thats individual)
simple ha
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Jun 24, 2007 17:04
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On 2007-06-23 16:49, tsabeat wrote:
@keen beat
my ego not offended , as long u dont gonna run a record label and ask me for music
DIY pffahaha , u build your own dynaudio speakers ? or maybe your virus TI ?
or isnt DIY says i can do it myself so why do i need a record label at all ?
trust me mate , go buy the new hot gear your music will sound better.
sell your toonz for good label , and they get to more peaple then a sharing music site.
get payd good and u have nuff time to make better tunes. pritty simple
you have hard time to see what is the diffrence between hoby and life goal.
for being succesfull artist it takes endless hours of work on production and p.r and possibly a website , not to mention the good spirit and vibes you need for inspiration , nothing that can be done along day job.
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The Way Back
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kin beat
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Posted : Jun 24, 2007 21:11
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On 2007-06-23 16:49, tsabeat wrote:
@keen beat
my ego not offended , as long u dont gonna run a record label and ask me for music
DIY pffahaha , u build your own dynaudio speakers ? or maybe your virus TI ?
or isnt DIY says i can do it myself so why do i need a record label at all ?
trust me mate , go buy the new hot gear your music will sound better.
sell your toonz for good label , and they get to more peaple then a sharing music site.
get payd good and u have nuff time to make better tunes. pritty simple
you have hard time to see what is the diffrence between hoby and life goal.
for being succesfull artist it takes endless hours of work on production and p.r and possibly a website , not to mention the good spirit and vibes you need for inspiration , nothing that can be done along day job.
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that made me laugh mate, lets be more realistic, its obvious that I didnt and I wont be able to build my own monitors not to mention the racks or synths but I rather wanted to make you understand that you could manage yourself better by not just producing your own tunes but also releasing them, having yourself as the only main investor who would take care of everything in regards sales/distro/profits, thats all. trust yourself being Indie Requires a lot more struggle and humility than just feel that you deserve to be heard and play around the world.
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 25, 2007 02:15
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On 2007-06-24 21:11, kin beat wrote:
that made me laugh mate,
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thats a good start now
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lets be more realistic, its obvious that I didnt and I wont be able to build my own monitors not to mention the racks or synths
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ok , getting somewhere here..
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but I rather wanted to make you understand that you could manage yourself better by not just producing your own tunes but also releasing them, having yourself as the only main investor who would take care of everything in regards sales/distro/profits, thats all.
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well here is the problem again
it takes alot of time to run a good label , i dont even believe peaple try doing that alone by themselves.
so doing all this + music is completely redicilus idea. how about keep a day job , make music , and run a good record label ? now im laughing , be sure its not a proper way to manage your musical act nor your label.
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trust yourself being Indie Requires a lot more struggle and humility than just feel that you deserve to be heard and play around the world.
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didnt got this part i think
or i did and then - why ?
anyhow have a great fun with music , i sure do .. small diffrence is for me its more then hoby.
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and with all the respect here to many good friends , and 70% of labels i work with so far.. please if after 3 years or 6-7 realeses u still not make your label profitable busines , shut it down. if the label is your hoby , make sure artist u sign know it and not have false hopes about you. www.sattelbattle.com
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 25, 2007 03:24
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On 2007-06-25 02:15, tsabeat wrote:
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On 2007-06-24 21:11, kin beat wrote:
that made me laugh mate,
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thats a good start now
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lets be more realistic, its obvious that I didnt and I wont be able to build my own monitors not to mention the racks or synths
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ok , getting somewhere here..
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but I rather wanted to make you understand that you could manage yourself better by not just producing your own tunes but also releasing them, having yourself as the only main investor who would take care of everything in regards sales/distro/profits, thats all.
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well here is the problem again
it takes alot of time to run a good label , i dont even believe peaple try doing that alone by themselves.
so doing all this + music is completely redicilus idea. how about keep a day job , make music , and run a good record label ? now im laughing , be sure its not a proper way to manage your musical act nor your label.
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trust yourself being Indie Requires a lot more struggle and humility than just feel that you deserve to be heard and play around the world.
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didnt got this part i think
or i did and then - why ?
anyhow have a great fun with music , i sure do .. small diffrence is for me its more then hoby.
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and with all the respect here to many good friends , and 70% of labels i work with so far.. please if after 3 years or 6-7 realeses u still not make your label profitable busines , shut it down. if the label is your hoby , make sure artist u sign know it and not have false hopes about you. specialy dont promise stuff.. its a fast way to disapoint peaple.
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kobi-(LOUD)
Chain Reaction
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Posted : Jun 25, 2007 18:27
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one more for the list
a year ago we sold spooke one of our track
and never heard from him from back then ...
but for me im sure that his KARMA is sooo fucked
that no one will make anything with him
he burend himself with his lies and bullshit
and as far as i know this is a small world and for sure
all of us are going to meet him somewere!!!.
hi spooke watch your back becuse we are opening
the hunting season and u r the target
start runing hehehehehehehehehe
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Zybex
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Posted : Jun 25, 2007 18:46
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For some labels this is the only bussines where they never will risk their own money...
((mmmm i have an idea, i will made a label and make some contracts offering US$300 for tracks, and if i dont sell well the cd, i just dont pay to the artists =D hahahah!! very good idea!))
fuck it!!!
like crazy ducks say: Stop open psy labels if you cant pay to ppl!!! or just say before that you want the tracks for free. |
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