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ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 5, 2005 23:26
Do you think that trance is for everyone? If yes how can you achieve a state of trance with people who do not give a shit about the music and just come to have some drugs or drinks and have fun? How can you connect the people together if the people do not care what is playing let alone feel it?

My answer is that to achieve a state of trance is not for everyone because it comes from the music, from everybody loving one music and dancing together makes trance. Of course now we do not have trance anymore because now everybody is Trance you know even my mother can come to a festival how cool is that! Let me know what you think?

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Acidhive
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 00:09
Could you explain better? This post just confused me...           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 00:10
do u think trance is for everyone or not?           Your sound, is your music, is your soul keep them all on the right track!

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Krell
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 00:42
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On 2005-12-05 23:26, ganjagil wrote:
Do you think that trance is for everyone?



Yes

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On 2005-12-05 23:26, ganjagil wrote:
If yes how can you achieve a state of trance with people who do not give a shit about the music and just come to have some drugs or drinks and have fun?



I achieve the trance for myself, its a personal experience in my mind - I dont need their minds to interact with mine in order to achieve a trance. However, I prefer not to be around that many people like that while I do "serious trancing" since a trance leaves you in a very impressional and open state, and I dont want all their bullshit in my experience/mind.

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On 2005-12-05 23:26, ganjagil wrote:
How can you connect the people together if the people do not care what is playing let alone feel it?



You can be annoyed at them, very well knowing they are annoyed at you - simply because you are different - else, I guess you can just get drunk and find common ground in being drunk if you like... Smile to the world, and the world smiles back.

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On 2005-12-05 23:26, ganjagil wrote:
My answer is that to achieve a state of trance is not for everyone because it comes from the music, from everybody loving one music and dancing together makes trance.



Trance comes from many things and its a normal state of mind for the human being - There are also different trance states.
You dont need music to achieve a trance, and also, not all people like to enter a trance.
Everybody loving one music and dancing together as such does not induce trance - It can, if the stimulation is right, but loving and dancing to music is not the same as entering trance states.

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On 2005-12-05 23:26, ganjagil wrote:
Of course now we do not have trance anymore because now everybody is Trance you know even my mother can come to a festival how cool is that! Let me know what you think?



I think your whole basis for understanding what trance states are is fundamentally flawed and you should read some of the material that is available online regarding what a "trance" is.

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Nobita
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 02:08
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On 2005-12-05 23:26, ganjagil wrote:
Do you think that trance is for everyone? If yes how can you achieve a state of trance with people who do not give a shit about the music and just come to have some drugs or drinks and have fun? How can you connect the people together if the people do not care what is playing let alone feel it?

My answer is that to achieve a state of trance is not for everyone because it comes from the music, from everybody loving one music and dancing together makes trance. Of course now we do not have trance anymore because now everybody is Trance you know even my mother can come to a festival how cool is that! Let me know what you think?

Bom
Ganja




You seem to be saying that trance is not for everyone. Ok, who makes the selection ? Should we put beefy bouncers at the entrance of parties that refuse anybody whose not coming in to get into a serious trance ? Common, trance is also about having fun, dancing, enjoying music all as whole. There exists the concept of 'private parties' you know, where only a few are invited so why don't you try to get invited to one of those or start one up? I mean the amount of people that really want to embark on a spiritual dancing experience is quite limited anyway, so might as well organize small private events for that. Peace
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 03:38

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On 2005-12-05 23:26, ganjagil wrote:

Do you think that trance is for everyone?





Yes im ! Sure !

My father (81 years old) And my mother (74 Years old) Likes my music and dancing to our music tunes (Not joking ! Realy !) . They never tuch or use any drugs or even try in all they life and its not beacose im the musical boy for them they are truly like it , I think they like more the mello then the dark tunes and beat but yes .. I think that when you lorn spenish , Japanis or others so at the time (When you are geting in to) you lorn to like it (Same with all in life .. New style , New waves and even with a new woman) And this is all the funn here ! Cheers ..
ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 11:13
Does anybody in here actually know what is the trance feeling through this music or am i the only one who has experienced this many times now. It is impossible that the perfect trance state is induced if the people around are not able to plug themselves in through the music like you. When they are not into the music they are only a problem to your state then, i have experienced many parties before with most of the people in a trance state and you only go deeper and higher leaving the body when it's the right crowd.

I think you people in here who are talking about trance is not the only way to enter into this state i understand, but this is our method and culture to enter into a state of goodness through the music and the feeling of it, and of course some boosters also to make it even more special.

So you people are not affected by other people's state of mind during a party or a festival?

bom
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 11:36
I'm fed up with such ways of thinking..

Hey Ganjagil, did you remember the very first party you went at ??

Did anybody kick you out saying like : "You are not up to get in Trance, man, go out or you will ruin the atmosphere here" ??

Bah..
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ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 11:44
The first parties i went at were still pretty basic about 8 years ago when it was still goa, and i then travelled to goa for parties also what i mean by saying it's not for everyone is that people who used to like Goa they loved it for the music now people love the Dj or the producer or the drugs you know everything but the music ( I am talking about some people not all ) and my other point is that to have a special trance state only you can have this with specialized people in some private parties, and that what we call trance festivals is in fact not trance at all...this is my point i am not saying that people should not come, i am saying that when all kinds of people are in the dancefloor it's not trance anymore, this was my question...
bom
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 11:53
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On 2005-12-06 11:44, ganjagil wrote:
people who used to like Goa they loved it for the music now people love the Dj or the producer or the drugs you know everything but the music



OK

So you have your answer here, Ganjagil.. If you still like the Music then you don't need anything or anybody else.. So "mind your own Trance" and let be other people be.



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On 2005-12-06 11:44, ganjagil wrote:
my other point is that to have a special trance state only you can have this with specialized people in some private parties



I think even in an ultra private party with 50 over-specialized people that used to party for more than 25 years now, you won't be able to be "100 % connected" with all the other 49 people..

What I mean is that, people like you Ganjagil, should really focus more on what makes them feel good at a party, have fun with the few people around that are up to have fun with you, and don't think about all the others.. At least they're here to make the floor quake (when there are a lot) !
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ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 12:06
You are right i should focus but i try and focus and suddenly you see an ugly face on extacsy or someone comes to hug you every 5 mins and then you see how much you focus on trance cause you loose your trip like this! How is it possible to mind your own trance if they do not leave you do this! They do it unintenionally and i am not saying that it's there fault either but this happens continously and i am always wishing for a party with only people who mind there own trance are there!

Bom
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 12:20
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On 2005-12-06 12:06, ganjagil wrote:
You are right i should focus but i try and focus and suddenly you see an ugly face on extacsy or someone comes to hug you every 5 mins and then you see how much you focus on trance cause you loose your trip like this!



Oh la la Ganjagil..I wonder how you can have fun in a party.. I think you're taking it too seriously you know..

The ugly face on extasy hehe, why do you have to stare at him ? When I see such any I'm not thinking "Ooooh woahoo how ugly he is".. and like calling my friends "heeey look at hiiiim".. No no, he's stoned and basta, the Earth is still turning around the Sun..

Same goes for the hugs !! I dunno.. Sometimes you can feel like having fun with the person, and sometimes you'll just say "later later" and it's ok..

These are really trifling details if you ask me..


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exotic
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 12:30
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On 2005-12-06 11:13, ganjagil wrote:
Does anybody in here actually know what is the trance feeling through this music or am i the only one who has experienced this many times now. It is impossible that the perfect trance state is induced if the people around are not able to plug themselves in through the music like you. When they are not into the music they are only a problem to your state then, i have experienced many parties before with most of the people in a trance state and you only go deeper and higher leaving the body when it's the right crowd.



i know what you are talking about ganja ... in my short history with psy i can confidently say that i have experienced that state you are talking about where you leave your physical state behind and feel singularity which leaves you totally blissful and spiritual . but but you are giving way too much importance to people in general .. trance is one state where you are actually oblivious to any other state except trance .. and that is true active meditation .

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I think you people in here who are talking about trance is not the only way to enter into this state i understand, but this is our method and culture to enter into a state of goodness through the music and the feeling of it, and of course some boosters also to make it even more special.



yes music and that feeling is very important to achieve that state .. and i can feel equally blissful if i go for a long run on the road .. so dont only attribute it to specific culture and method .. there is no rule as such

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So you people are not affected by other people's state of mind during a party or a festival?



Not at all ! in fact i find most people at a party pretty comical in my own funny state ..

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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 12:32
I think trance is for ANYone and EVERYone who chooses it, be it for whatEVER reason, the music, the vibe, the peeps, the drugs...
WHY? be cause trance and its people are there to teach, to show, to feel, to love to respect.... (i could go on with the emotions)
Besides the fundamental PEACE LOVE UNITY and RESPECT, ide like to add a few....
Tolerance, Reverence, Awareness, Non-judgement, Compassion, Evolution.......

remember we were all new to trance once upon a time, and if you watch, you will see...... people....... go through the motions, for whichever reason they found themselves there for in the first place, some loose it, some find it, some stay, some leave, each to their own reason........
and the joy will come when you see those who have stumbled, pick themselves up, and return to the basic principles of life, on the floor or out into the world.....

have tolerance, faith, love, respect.......... and be aware, as you look at others, because we are here to learn and pass on the lessons, loose judgement, and seek only love and light, and you will find it, in trance, in nature, all around.......

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