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HandA
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 23:19
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On 2005-09-10 23:13, antic wrote:
I've never reviewed an album I did not bought.
Does it answer your question? 
BTW. Which album of yours would you reccomend me to buy first? Strangely enough, my local shop somehow got hold of some psy-trance CDs from Yoyo Records and I'm planning to buy something tomorrow. But beware - if I'll buy it, I might not like it and I won't hesitate to say about it! :-D
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yes it does indeed awnser my question. Nice to see someone that actually answer it
Hmm I am not the best to tell you what CD of mine to buy. I do think Celestial Sounds & Tribal Beats are better in many ways both muscial and production wise than Monzoon. And no Monzoon is not an Album. It's a compilation specially made for Israel using my tracks from various releases on Nova Zembla Records.
I never have any problems with negative reviews. I respect people's opinion and know that i cant make all people happy. Taste is taste.
Sorry for going off-topic in my own thread and spamming it with my blund selfpromotion  |
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blueOrb
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 23:34
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 23:43
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2 different things together and connected into complex form which is part of reality, complexity
buying CDs / downloading (ethics)
ability to review "shit CD doesn't count as review" (logic, expression and english knowledge)
leads to the right to review illegal material ! It is since music is an art, if you think else then you should stop it. Your words remind me seller or insurance dealer. "You need to have product then talk about it" If music is product for you then, lol it is lol.
MUSIC SOUND LIKE PRODUCT THESE DAYS !
so as seller you right as artist not.
STOP CALLING YOURSELF an ARTIST IF YOU AGREE!
P.s HandA i understand you sepak generally as i do ask, i answer everyone here and not to argue with you. |
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Yuli
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 23:58
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On 2005-09-10 22:56, Chaos Theory wrote:
So what? We all should write only good things here?
kiss ass all the time? I write good thing about the artist. And also bad things. As much as I like to write good; sometimes I write bad. What is wrong with this?
What about contractive criticism? imo its the best criticism.
We don't have the right co complain!?! 4 who the artist make the music? 4 themselves only? we are the target of their music!
If I love something i will say it. If a don't I will say also.
freedom of speech.
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I think there is a misunderstanding here.. If I made a shitty CD u have all rights in the world to say I made a shitty CD. But IMO u have less rights to bitch why I put a remix I made into that CD - concerns with your other topic.
I mean... Let the artist do his job. But if he does it lousy in your opinion surely this is the place to express it.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 01:53
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Freedom of speech has not much to do with crime, i mean you can steal and speak then on TV (if they see it's intresting enough to show). Express yourself. To download illegal copies of music is crime, like shoplifting and it doesn't matter if you cleptomaniac, do it for fun or just need food. You commit a crime. So basically from this point of view you don't have a right a product you have stolen. This is what HandA trying to say.
This is commercial point of view, since i do think art is art and money is money. You have the right to review music but not to steal it or complain to label about low quality of product you got.
HandA have you thought about what i should do if i bought CD from Iboga Records and it suck ass, just bad music choise, bad sound and bedroom musicians. Where do i complain? To label managment? They will ask me to fuck off. Can i sue Iboga for low quality product ? NO
Simple you musicians use laws for which fits you. If we go further and take music as an object you buy i can list dozens of examples how you use laws when you want but against you we (consumers) can't do nothing. ie.Taxes! I can sue any artists within psyscene for avoiding payment of taxes for lol:art:lol he make.
Sry for Iboga it was an example only. I don't listen to that label much so i don't know what quality it is, just have one compilation and one album from it. So it was an example only. |
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HandA
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 03:00
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Willy Wonka do you have a specific problem about sticking to a topic? What in heavens name does your last post got to do with my question?
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ucc
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 04:54
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where's the problem?
really?
you're probably more worried than whoever is releasing and being criticised
have a drink 
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ucc
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 04:59
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lol
invert the situations instead of getting bad feedback you get good... you are happy, and those not buying are excused because they made your day |
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rich
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 05:36
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Does people that do not buy the music have any right to complain?
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Of course they have a right. But whether they do or not is up to their own moral judgement.
I personally would not criticize on a public forum a CD that I downloaded (I don't dl music anyway so it would never happen. But if I did, I wouldn't say anything cos I would feel too ashamed for have acquired it dishonestly that I wouldn't say anything.
BUT, if I acquired it by any other means - buying, receiving it as a gift, listening in a friend's car, whatever - I have no problem critizing it on a public forum. |
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HandA
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 13:38
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On 2005-09-11 04:59, uccpd wrote:
lol
invert the situations instead of getting bad feedback you get good... you are happy, and those not buying are excused because they made your day
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Come again?
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On 2005-09-11 04:54, uccpd wrote:
where's the problem?
really?
you're probably more worried than whoever is releasing and being criticised
have a drink
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I am not sure I understand what your talking about in your 2 posts. Are you refering to me or?
And just because I open up a debate does not nessesary mean I "worry" etc. |
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kriz
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 14:00
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Ofcourse you have the right to complain if a artist you liked before changes style or whatever, even if you only have heard the cd at a friend you can make an opinion about if you like it or not (and i wont buy any cd`s that i dont like!!)
And by the way , how can you know who buys cd`s and who doesnt? How many cd`s have you bought this month btw. ?
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HandA
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 14:15
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On 2005-09-11 14:00, kriz wrote:
Ofcourse you have the right to complain if a artist you liked before changes style or whatever, even if you only have heard the cd at a friend you can make an opinion about if you like it or not (and i wont buy any cd`s that i dont like!!)
And by the way , how can you know who buys cd`s and who doesnt? How many cd`s have you bought this month btw. ?
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Is it hard to stay on topic?
I quote my original question here again and hope that people can stay on topic.
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On 2005-09-10 21:13, HandA wrote:
I see a lot of people complaning about how the artists decide to make their music. Now my question or for that matter lay-up for the debate is.
Does people that do not buy the music have any right to complain?
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So there's no more "confusion" I will clearify the question. I am ONLY talking about people that tell artists how to make their music.
This debate is not about how many CD's I buy or how many CD people buy. I thought I made that pretty clear in my first post here mate. But just to satisfy your need to know how many CD's I buy. I buy all my CD's except for those I get as promo's. |
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 15:00
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ok i think everybody has the right to complain even if they download music why? becuse this is what freedom of speech is all about alot of the artists get alot of promo for free so they too dont buy alot of music i think mabey they put thier invest thier money in the music but is like aperson ivest his money into his business so he doesnt have money to buy alot of cds
think if there will be a rule here people that dont buy cds wont get a premision to register to isratrance
again i think people should buy more cds but it has nothing to do with what they can or cannot say here |
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HandA
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 15:02
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Ok I give up... debate in east and west |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 16:17
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On 2005-09-10 21:13, HandA wrote:
I see a lot of people complaning about how the artists decide to make their music. Now my question or for that matter lay-up for the debate is.
Does people that do not buy the music have any right to complain?
I am not pointing fingers at anyone here even though I am pretty sure many of you do not buy much of the music you listen to.
The fact is that very little people buy music these days but yet I see a lot of people complaining about the music.
So what's fair? Do you have the right to complain?
This is NOT another mp3 versus buying thread. So please do not start that debate here. I am looking at a point that have not really been debated yet.
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No you dont have the right to complain..
pretty simple... but since when did people follow common sense?
anyway, today its possible to listen to demos of tracks so i really dont see the problem...
now if i d-l a track and i think its bad, why should i complain to the artist about his music... i thought it was bad and what good does the artist get if i tell him so? should he change his visions for my sake..
hmm HandA... what do you think your self?
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