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Do we really need labels?
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Pointy
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 11:46
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Reading the "Public Performance", "How to pay artists for unreleased tracks" and "Artists I want to ask you something" threads, I wonder how useful and constructive labels really are. The people running them don't seem to have much knowledge about what they are doing (don't even know the legalities)and are always complaining about how hard their work is. They seem to narrow rather than expand the range of music, by promoting styles rather than individuality. By buying CDs one supports mainly the shop and the distributors. To help the artists, sites with (high quality) downloads and fees per track seem much more sensible.
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karnaf
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 11:57
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As long as CDs are the main medium for the scene, I think there is a place for labels, especially in distributing the music and creating compilations.
Most artists can't afford to produce their own disc, make the copies, publish it and distribute it, besides, it will take a lot of the creation time, wouldn't it?
Also, all the newbies who are dying to release something so their name will be in the hall of fame - they can't afford to make a CD on their own. (there are a few newbies who deserve to be in the hall of fame but can't afford it either  )
Artists that feel they can do the job themselves or better than other labels, usually open their own label (AP for example). It's a good buffer between the artist, distributer and client.
I agree with you though that many labels lack professionalism and display very low work standards. Artists and shoppers should know who they are and avoid contact with them, law of the jungle 
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 13:53
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On 2004-08-13 11:46, Pointy wrote:
The people running them don't seem to have much knowledge about what they are doing (don't even know the legalities)and are always complaining about how hard their work is. |
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This is where one have to know about them, and avoid buying their release while patronizing the labels that you know about being "over the top"..
I don't like when they are crying too much.. they'd better clench the teeths and work even harder..
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 14:02
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There are bad labels and good labels.
Make your choice....
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CrazyCode
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 14:44
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...me don't get it...
why would you kick out labels?
to much time to do it yourself,
and i think they should complain,
anyway if they stop complaining and start spreading it more...
then why we all hate commercial???
...me don't get it?...
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 14:56
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I agree with all the posts in this thread.
Most labels in this scene is quite unserious, and is complaining about all hard work and no money. Still the most artist earn less than most label managers, so until that change they should like KakoOlalaJwal said "clench the teeths and work even harder..".
And karnaf, you are right when you say that most artists can't afford to print their own CD's, and surely it shouldn't be on the artists shoulders to duplicate and promote their own work. But is it really true that original CD's are the main medium for the scene. I think more people listen to copies, and that has been the case even before all this mp3 stories.
And artists do get known without releasing their stuff. Normally when they get known they get a release as well, but it doesn't allways start with the release itself.
I do think that artist for shure should have somekind of organisation helping them with getting their stuff mastered, distributed and promoted. Sure they can sell CD's to people that want them as one way of spreading the music, but I think they should look for other ways to do it, and not look as every illegal copy made as a loss. Trance music don't get radio play, and normally you don't know what the DJ at a party is playing. So the copying is also working as the main form of promoting at the moment as well. If more people hear your label or act, more arrangers will be booking, and more CD buyers will recognise the name. And I think most peoples intention when they start a lablel or start producing is that they wan't to give something to others. Sometimes they turn bitter, and start getting angry about sales figures and the hard work, and forget why they are doing it.
If they was in for the sales from the beginning they are either stupid or naive, because trance is the wrong style to go for then. |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 16:10
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On 2004-08-13 14:44, CrazyCode wrote:
anyway if they stop complaining and start spreading it more...
then why we all hate commercial???
...me don't get it?...
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Who tells "we all hate commercial" ?
I said it already several times here : I have absolutely nothing against Music that sells.. But I have a BIG problem with Music that is MADE to sell..
Astronomical difference, my friend
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Pointy
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 17:05
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"I said it already several times here : I have absolutely nothing against Music that sells.. But I have a BIG problem with Music that is MADE to sell..."
Very good words KakoOlalaJwal!
Karnaf, when I first read your reply I thought "yes, that's right", but than I was thinking, "hey, actually the labels are all complaining, that they don't sell enough". The listeners have their own ways of
distributing the music.
Spindrift, very good words too.
It definetly looks like some changes are nescessary. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 17:06
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Well said again KakoOlalaJwal.
The problem with selling music seems to be that when you make it to sell, you try to always look for the lowest common denominator in peoples taste.
Remember who made the big mainstream lables what they are today. It was bands like Pink Floyd, Led Zepperlin, Beatles and Rolling Stones. It's just been a gradual slide from then to the boybands and britney of today.
Thats whats happens after some 40yrs of compromising with creativity to satisfy marketability. |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 17:23
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That's so true and the problem is that these people have funds enough to build huge promotional campains and directly "touch" as many people as possible..
Same goes with the food, and basically all the "secondary" needs..
It's so sad so much "customers" are blind and come to eat in their hands..
How has it been possible for Astral Projection to touch so many people.. While WaterJuice is known here by only a few of us ?
How can so much people go eating junk food while the small thai restaurant in the corner suggests way better food for approx the same price ?
Matter of taste would you say ??
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edit : please note I'm not that serious in this post.. Don't throw me in flames in you, dear reader, are an Astral Deep Lover... (poor boy)
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droid
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 21:27
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On 2004-08-13 14:02, DETOX wrote:
There are bad labels and good labels.
Make your choice....
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totally agree DETOX, we need labels for sure....the ppl need do the good choice...and with the time , only the good ones survive...is the Jungle Law  |
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 22:59
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There is need to be labels ..........
we not need som much label which release exact same music which is fullon ............
lless fullon labels , more competition to get into fullon label , more quality at releases ,.... i think it worth but every kid oen label thiese days so let them burn at bankrupt ................. like some of them already done |
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Butterfly Records
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Posted : Aug 14, 2004 01:12
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Who tells "we all hate commercial" ?
I said it already several times here : I have absolutely nothing against Music that sells.. But I have a BIG problem with Music that is MADE to sell..
Astronomical difference, my friend
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Best way to put KakoOlalaJwal nice one 
I am a producer and have many friends labels which i got to know them through my music also some met in Goa*, Parvati Records, Discovalley records , Inpsyde Media , Wirikuta recordings , Alkaloid records etc etc etc, believe me they all work hard Pointy !! and good labels too, and it is hard work and never enough time,, and like Detox said ..."There are bad labels and good labels. Make your choice.... "
I love creating my music i do come attached to them until they leave home to the big world on their own BUT for those TRACKS that are unreleased simply cause of a matter of taste !!!! ????
There is a place for everyone on this planet of ours !!! none should be left there put to unknown, they are my creations and so they should be out there for someone to hear them, enjoY them and appriciate such work.
Like all underground music coming from pychedelic rock from the 60's to punk rock etc music which is not like by all it's either you love or hate it.
And so is my music, it's not made TO sell but made to be played, and so it should be played.
thats why Butterfly records was founded
lol and i simply have no funds just recycling debths lol so therefore i don't have the money to to build huge promotional campains , which that suite my case , who is well in the underground scene will hear my muisc for the rest .. WELL IT"S JUST TOUGH LUCK Babu
I don't care if it's not liked by all !!! unlike commercial music, but at least for sure there will be some who will and that is enough sedisfying for me and my little creatures.
and for sure not to be in the hall of fame lol
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CrazyCode
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Posted : Aug 14, 2004 01:40
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On 2004-08-13 16:10, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
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On 2004-08-13 14:44, CrazyCode wrote:
anyway if they stop complaining and start spreading it more...
then why we all hate commercial???
...me don't get it?...
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Who tells "we all hate commercial" ?
I said it already several times here : I have absolutely nothing against Music that sells.. But I have a BIG problem with Music that is MADE to sell..
Astronomical difference, my friend
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...if you want stuff to sell it must be "made to sell" friendly...?!
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