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Do Devil Worshipping belong in this scene?
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HandA
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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 11:41
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The Para/Halu CD is NOT what I was talking about. To me that coverdesign just show a balance between good and bad, ying and yang. It's symbolised with the Devil shaking God's (or is it Jesus?) hand = finding peace within yourself. Even the CD title says it all. This CD has nothing to do with satanism.
I was pointing at the many many titles (that a few artists seem to use non-stop over and over again) with direct links to satanism.
I still would like to hear from those artists that use these titels in every track they make. What's your intentions with those track titles? |
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 12:11
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On 2005-06-29 00:10, DiMiTry wrote:
well, somebody sure is having a psychotic episode.
i wonder if the devil-worshippers put a spell on him..
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people that he didn’t exist.
As I said before I don’t believe in the devil, in the conventional sense. I do however believe that our world is filled with wrongdoing. I know for a fact that Satanists all-over the world, arrange “ceremonies” (I do admit that that the rituals that they perform at the ceremonies vary, some are harmless and some are very dangerous).
People always tell me that I’m naïve to believe in such things as Satanists, but I always answer it’s equally naïve not to be informed about such things.
People seem to misread what people write; NOBODY is saying that you become a Satanist because you listen to dark-psy, it’s the symbolization of such names.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 17:53
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Hold on,
Has anyone here went to see or rented or owns hellraiser, Hell Boy  The Devil's Advocate... The House of 1000 Corpses. I mean isn't it good to confront you fears and fobias and to conquer them? And if it is surrounded by beautiful ppl... Isn't it even better? |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jun 30, 2005 17:27
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On 2005-06-25 15:15, Kitnam wrote:
I love dark music! but a lot of the so called dark trax of today are realy crap in my eyes. there are just a few good producers producing dark trance. the other stuff i dont take seriously, and i even think that such a thing like "satanistic trance" has nothing to do with dark trance and completly misses the point. dark means not to be ugly and bad and satanistic. dark trance means that the dancer is able to leave his inner dark emotions while moving. the intention is reaching the point where his soul is rebalanced through dancing and enters the state of harmony. positive and negative fits with eacxh other in harmony.
Yes . I like this answer .
when you get out of zoom and fockus in the dark so then you in the right place . Evry ones can feel or think that they are the devil by them selfs but there is not to many artists that realy understand and doing a interesting and curious powerfull/greatfull source and massive pure dark .
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karmasy
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Posted : Jun 30, 2005 17:37
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I guess we have just created a new styles - Dark Psydevil worshipping -
Out soon on hell records |
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damage
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Posted : Jun 30, 2005 17:57
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people that he didn’t exist.
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Lithium
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Posted : Jun 30, 2005 18:17
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yeaahh yeaaah and i saw the devil´s eating mother shivas ass heheh now thats a real problem now, something to really worry about 
ps: out now on your cable tv channel 51 |
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phobium
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Posted : Jun 30, 2005 19:09
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On 2005-06-30 17:57, damage wrote:
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people that he didn’t exist.
says who?
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Kevin Spacey's character, Verbal, in the movie "The Usual Suspects".
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 30, 2005 19:53
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I been taking part in this discussion over at psynews, but I thought I copy over my last post there to add to the discussion here.
HandA says that the intention with this thread was to try to get an answer as to why people use this kind of names and I will try to do that, even though I can't recall naming any track myself with an evil or satanistic name.
The only trackname I can think of that is slightly evil is "Acid Hitler". That title was mostly an internal joke, and it sounds a bit funny I guess, but it ain't a good title really and no thought behind.
I have used titles like "Grimner" (oden with his warrior mask) or "Defiant" on my darker tracks, but I could very well imagine using words like hell or devil as well since they are not negative forces in my view and I would not feel that I in any way would encourage people to kill babies because it come across like I promote devil worshipping.
But there has been plenty of answers already, both here and in psynews.
The one I think is most likely is that the artist wants to make clear that it's no fluffy morning trance. Most words like murder, terror, devil, evil, dark or nightmare will and have been used to clarify what style of music the track is.
Sure there is too much trends in trance, both when it comes to naming and the music itself. But thats a different issue than the "devil worshipping" discussed here.
Another reason could be that HandA is infact right that there is many artists that worships the devil. Although I don't think thats the case, I don't see what the problem with that is.
To be a devil worshipper seems a bit stupid to me since it's more representing a sort of anti-christian view rather than any kind of deep understanding.
But from a fundamental teological perspective I guess I could be classified more of a devil worshipper than a christian.
For me the devil can be interpited as "de wheel", ie the circle. In that sense he symbolises death and rebirth, just like Shiva in the hindu mythology (shiva incidentally means wheel in Swedish, or rather disc).
So Siva and the Devil is for me about accepting and unifying the opposites into one.
Also Jesus himself could from that perspective in a sense be seen as more of a devil worshipper than an orthodox christian. If you read the gospel of Thomas Jesus says:
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When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom].
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So my association of the Devil, Shiva or Oden as symbols is that they symbolise the unity behind everything. Without death no birth, without sorrow no joy.
It's more about understanding the forces in action in our creation than about killing babies or harming other people.
But sure, it also means that you understand that harm inflicted on yourself or other does not need to be bad, and fills a purpose in the balance of things.
That insight can make you a more content and less fearful being, but usually does not mean you go around harming others for the sake of being evil.
So if someone worships the devil it's not a problem. If people cut open pregnant mothers and eat the featus thats a problem, but it has to do with a sick mind and not what faith the person has.
And it sure don't have anything to do with track titles in trance music.
If you look in the news at least it seems more common with fanatically christian people that commit bizarre acts of violence due to their fear of what they percive as evil compared to the very rare cases of people who call themself satanists.
At least in Sweden we had a few cases last few years of christians murdering.
In one case even their own children because they where convinced they where obsessed with satan.
Anyway, if you really want an answer to your question HandA I'm sure there is some interviews with bands like the rolling stones or black sabbath where they explain why they choose the track titles they do.
This discussion is almost 50 years old by now, and although it's really mostly the moral majority that still get upset if a track name contains the word "hell" I'm sure you still can find a lot of information that can help you understand why some musicians mention or even glorify the dark side and that the chances that someone is a murderer is not higher because they used "hell" in a track title.
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Ben P
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Posted : Jul 1, 2005 16:17
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i dont know what is the problem with those "stanic" names as long as they don't burn cats or act like those stanic freaks you hear about from time to time they are just fine with me! you can call your tracks in any name you want and whereship satan as long as you dont hurt no one.
some times in party when the music stoping i feel like im in some strange paganic voodoo dance!  |
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björn
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Posted : Jul 1, 2005 18:44
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Oh my god!
One of my favorite tracks from long time ago, was Process/Tristan- Dealing with demons!
were they part of the satanic conspirasy also...? |
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Alisia~
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 17:42
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i just know that stuff, played in moscow clubs, is so dark that once forced me to see evil energy above the dance floor
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 22:37
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haha like in that ridiculous 'nochnoy dozor' movie? 
talk about cheap thrills.
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rich
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 02:33
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When I listen to IM's Dancing with Kadafi it forces me to see imagery of middle east politics...
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Dopamin
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 02:53
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On 2005-06-25 15:56, phobium wrote:
I think people are sick and tired of all that "plur hippie hug a tree aliens love us don't eat animals" stuff, so to answer your question : I think it's just a trend.
If those people really were into satan-worshipping they've chosen the wrong kind of music to express their belifs. I mean, it's electronic dance music without lyrics. I don't think a distorted saw synth with lfo says "go suck satans cock!", just as a 303 line never said "love everyone!"
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I dont think some of you really got my point. I am not talking about the music itself (except for the "evil" samples) but the track titles who undoubtly seem to be about satanic, demonic issues. I still dont get the idea of "rebelling" with satan and demons. But maybe your right. maybe it's just a trend. But nevertheless a very ugly trend in my opinion.. And I am still not convinced that those artists are just rebelling. But I am not talking about the music.. ONLY the track titles and the message they send out.
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Hmm, what is your point, is it just the track names or the intent of the tracks?
i Agree with (dont know who wrote it) that it should be a light and a dark side, no matter what the content might be, you will never find good with out evil and you will never find light without darkness, so yes there ought to be a VERY VERY darkside tho this very bright music called fullon.
I for ine like this very darkside but it's got to have someking of contetn just crazy dakr frequencies with samples of screams of anguish and death migh not be taken seriously but the onces with dark emotions and power is really good IMO.
Take xenomorph first tracks, they wehrer very dark and nightmarish and that wasnt because of the samples it was because of the whole of the track.
SO my words are bring on darkness to this fullon light stuff, cause right now it's so bright i need to wear shades at fullon night parties.
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