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Do Devil Worshipping belong in this scene?
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Axis Mundi
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 27, 2009 11:36
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Why don't you tell us some more about how music should be and how music you don't listen to sucks so much ass? O enlightened one, who has learned so much and has obviously has been around so long and has been so heavily involved with the music's development?
If we follow you, will you teach us your ways?
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 27, 2009 12:18
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"I don't get the point. If you believe there's a message in every song, as one should, there is nothing good about dark psy with screaming and the sounds of people dying in the background.
It's just a waste."
It is ? When i go to a dark festival, I listens and dance to the hardest darkpsy music for days-- No negativity , just pure power.. You know when you really push your body to it limits you can get some really crazy experiences ? I think its all about this---- power, spirituality and really far out experiences...
If you read the whole discussion you will see what i mean with this.
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gutter
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Posted : Jul 27, 2009 12:50
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The psytrance scene should be about life, energy, and fun... not death, destruction, screaming, crying, and fear, like the dark psy artists want to induce in the listeners.
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First of everything using the word "dark" is nothing but a plain bullshit to describe so many different tracks and so many different artists and timbres of their music
"Dark" can be a very subtle and infernal track hidden under huge low frequencies with an overall blur/dull timbre and only 139bpm
Imho most of the tracks that are above certain bpm, like 150 for example tend to be aggressive, not dark at all, not frightening, its plain fastness and aggressiveness, maybe silly maybe serious
thats up to each ones taste, both listener and artist, ive heard lots of tracks that most ppl would immediately describe as "dark" -LOL- when theres only that: plain aggressiveness and weird weirdness, maybe many random things for the complexity of it, but thats all
And mostly (i hope) people tend to appreciate "serious" music, music that has a reason to be there, tracks with a flow and a going, especially when talking about trance experience
Dark and full on, the two worst marketing signs of stupidity that could ever happened
had the chance to listen to Sensient recently, finally  , and all i can say is that he is a LOT more "dark" than dozens of just fast/aggressive trance
the devils are inside us
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jul 27, 2009 13:47
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the dark side will always and even for all times my dear friends- it wont disappear.You can try what you want darkness belongs to us as light do.It has its sense even on a good psytrance party where all sides exist.
I also do not like progressive the most and cheesy full on - an not sure maybe even full on at all,however its ok there are people who like only that,but to say dark is stupid and bad at all or almost all is a lack of understanding in mind.Not to say a bit retarded.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Jul 27, 2009 19:26
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Brightness can burn
Darkness can cool
Dark with bright colors is blood on black
Bright with dark colors is ying yang
wow i am great writer and the fact that you read this means its true
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Obelizk
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Posted : Jul 27, 2009 19:37
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When I talk about darkpsy, I talk about the vast majority of dark I hear, which is very fast, non-melodic, music that doesn't go anywhere.
The term dark is getting thrown around with people using it different ways. There can be darker music that isn't about death and violence. That's the reason I don't listen to death metal. It doesn't do anything for me. There obviously are other opinions.
and to Axis Mundi -
"If we follow you, will you teach us your ways?"
I don't get why you feel insulted by what I said. And I don't need to learn about music's development to like a style or dislike it.
I love hearing cool darker tracks. Just not the death and decay ones.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 27, 2009 21:00
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It was a sarcastic response to an authoritatively stated opinion.
There's a difference between "disliking" music and implying that it all sucks just because you prefer not to listen to it. It's all too easy in this scene for people to confuse their personal taste with a need for disrespect. Also to top it off is that you generalized and stereotyped with the "death, destruction, screaming, crying, and fear, like the dark psy artists want to induce in the listeners" attitude which is just plain untrue. If I said "I don't listen to hip-hop because almost all of it just plain sucks and they seem to want to say smacking hoes down and murdering each other is okay." I wouldn't sound very mature, would I?
Not to mention as it's been pointed out before that things like death and decay are a very real and important part of the culture tha this music was founded within in the first place. But tht's another story.
Lastly, there is a significant portion of the community who prefer music you would call "dark" and that does not make them stupid, retarded, in need of hospitalization, or any of that and they are worthy of the same respect as one who follows your own tastes more closely. Stating anything else is false and hypocritical to the message of togetherness you alluded to in your previous post. See the irony there? Also ironic is that most of the people who prefer "dark" music have a similar attitude as you regarding positivity, coming-togetherness and all that.
Chances are if you looked at pictures of psytrancers you would have no idea if they liked this or that style of sound, also much different from your "goth" comparison.
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 27, 2009 21:39
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Yep, Axis Mundi is speaking the truth here...
You say that the music doesnt go anywhere, i have heard many others also say this. The music is maybe not that easy to get into, but for me some of the best music is music you need to really listen and maybe dance alot to, to really, really appreciate.
Everything is not only happy and cheerful in life, alot is ofcourse also, so this music brings everything together. Maybe you only heard horror stuff, it can for sure be very intense and maybe feel unwanted.. it will maybe freak you out ? Hehehehe )
This what I like, music that really takes you on a crazy journey.
I let people listen to some heavy dark at my place, in the right setting with the right people -> incredible energy can be experienced with this music. Full psychedelic setting and this music speeds up the process, getting you really far into trance. (for me described maybe like active meditation). But this is only ofcourse if you want and let it happen..
Nothing wrong with other styles, everyone is different. This process have begun along time ago, people wanting less fluff and more power. I think maybe its a natural progress, alot of us come from backgrounds with alot of metal and alternative darker music. So this just brings it all together, and i must say with a very good and positive result..
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jul 27, 2009 22:44
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On 2009-07-27 21:00, Axis Mundi wrote:
Not to mention as it's been pointed out before that things like death and decay are a very real and important part of the culture tha this music was founded within in the first place. But tht's another story.
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+1 also agree on all other points.
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Obelizk
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Posted : Jul 28, 2009 01:54
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On 2009-07-27 21:39, kriz wrote:
Maybe you only heard horror stuff, it can for sure be very intense and maybe feel unwanted.. it will maybe freak you out ?
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Maybe this is it. I heard very darkpsy and there were pictures of gory shit all over the place. For the same reason I dislike death metal, I dislike this very dark music.
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Lastly, there is a significant portion of the community who prefer music you would call "dark" and that does not make them stupid, retarded, in need of hospitalization.
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I didn't say anyone was stupid, retarded, or in need of hospitalization. And my opinions don't make everyone else retarded.
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 28, 2009 05:21
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MsoB
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Posted : Jul 28, 2009 06:01
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Personally, I really like a lot of darker psy tracks (kindzadza, psykovsky, and scatterbrain have written some of my favorite tunes ever). I don't tend to play stuff like this out, because it generally doesn't fit the vibe/journey that I am trying to create with my sets, but for myself I love it, and I can really get into a good set of this sort of dark music.
That being said, I really don't understand why some dark artists feel the need to include samples of people screaming/crying, and samples or sound effects that sound like gory violence. To me, samples like this bring to mind horrible stuff like rape, torture, and murder, and IMO, gaining some sort of pleasure out of listening to stuff like that seems like a kind of voyeuristic sadism. It's one thing if these subjects are being approached from the point of view of a call to action to prevent this stuff from happening, raising social awareness, etc. but that doesn't seem to be the motive for most of this music that I have heard...
I'm really not trying to throw shit on anyone, and I'm not saying that just because I don't understand something, it is invalid/stupid/evil/indicative of devil worshiping/etc. - I'm just trying to understand. So can someone please explain to me the reasons for including this stuff, or at least why you like it? |
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Nivlem
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Posted : Jul 28, 2009 09:24
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Novelty is something that really gets the brain going. I find good darkpsy to be quite novel. It can have an eerie and frightening feel to it at times and that helps the psychedelic feel for me. As for album art and song titles, I spent my youth listening to King Diamond, Slayer, Celtic Frost, Black Sabbath, etc... My mother looked at the cover of "Reign in Blood" and asked if I was okay, and I said "yup" and that was that. She knew that I was fine and was not sacrificing goats or killing my classmates. Maybe some in the psy scene could follow her lead and be accepting. I like the full spectrum of psy. I think the diversity of it makes it more valid and rich. |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 28, 2009 12:19
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On 2009-07-28 01:54, Obelizk wrote:
I didn't say anyone was stupid, retarded, or in need of hospitalization. And my opinions don't make everyone else retarded.
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I know you didn't, but it was mentioned by a few others above which is what that line was mainly directed towards. Apologies for the confusion.
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exotic
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Posted : Jul 28, 2009 12:51
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On 2009-07-28 06:01, MsoB wrote:
So can someone please explain to me the reasons for including this stuff, or at least why you like it?
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Because dark music is perceived as music for the nighttime they have samples of women screaming for the creatures of the night who get off to of such stuff. in other words for the same reason they have samples in full-on of women orgasming. missing plug-in |
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