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Do Devil Worshipping belong in this scene?
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hardkornate
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Posted : Jul 9, 2009 20:44
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LOL.
I'd have to say that anyone who can't spot "devil worshiping" for the marketing it really is needs to check themselves.
If you make some dark ass music that tries to convey some hellish emotion, then picking a nice demonic name is perfectly appropriate. The idea behind names and such is to help people find your music, not promote some religion. It just so hapens that to convey the darkest imagery in our society, the best way to do i is to take a name thats been promoted as evil by the religious(*cough*truly evil*cough*) majority. Do you people think that artists that name tracks after diseases are promoting disease, or that people that misspell their names are functionally retarded? i think not. It's all marketing(just like religion is marketing for mind control.)
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Posted : Jul 10, 2009 09:48
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Satan-Christ, Devil-God, Good-Bad, Light-Dark... they are all like Yin-Yang  ... get it?
And its all in you... ur own mind... ur own thoughts... ur own understanding and feelings... your own personal heaven and hell... If u keep running away/towards from either of them u r incomplete and u r stupid... like ppl say im only a devil worshipper or im only a light/god worshipper... stupid n senseless...... u have to understand them both and learn to unite them and live... Its 2 side of the same coin... (Note u cant deny any sides, only way is to accept both sides of ur personality)
probably All this crap was started by religious instituations or whoever to control the mass of ppl and to propogate fear, or to make them docile and not think too much, etc etc n other conspiracies... At the same time they didnt invent these concepts out of thin air... they just used our own human psyche or wats in our own self... maniupulated it and made up stuff...
u cant call either of them bad or good... u cant judge it nor anything... only best thing u can do is to unite the 2 factors and then u see where it takes u...
I've heard ppl say Satan was an great angel in the Gods court and all was well until one day God threw him out for watever reasons  ... and thats the day when all this God and Devil stuff started or thats when the ppl whoever it is madeup up this kinda stuff or thats the day humans were cut off from teh cosmic Grid etc...... But i say, its time to Bring the devil back in the Gods court and unite them...
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hope u guys r gettin my point
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mk47
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Posted : Jul 10, 2009 10:16
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with all the pseudo spiritual bullshit here , i don't think there's any space left for devil worship , sorry retards , house full .
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jul 10, 2009 13:24
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I don't judge. Do what you want, if that means make music sounding like cats being stepped on, cool. If that means worshipping a Christian re-imagining of an ancient archetype reaching back to Egyptian polytheism (and in turn, believing in a Christian god, and Jesus, you know, you gotta believe in em all to believe in Satan, right?), go right ahead.
(Lots of people hear 'darkpsy' and think OMG THEYRE EVIL CAT SACRIFICERS. They see Devilsmind Records and their covers and think OMG CHEESY WANNABE SATANISTS. I can see why people say that, but, it only takes a little bit more examination to understand that, no, in fact, darkpsy isn't really evil, and Devilsmind doesn't really worship Satan. If they say so, they're probably just doing it to make those of you who get offended uncomfortable. Laughing. And having fun. So maybe the problem isnt in how these acts and labels portray themselves so much as in how they are pre-judged by those who have expectations and ideas of 'right' and 'wrong' ways of doing it.)
I think its great to have all sorts of options. Choices. The key word being 'choice'. If it bothers you, don't listen to it, don't go to parties that play it, and if the party does play it unexpectedly, go do something else if it bothers you. Or eat some acid and stay on the dancefloor, you just may have fun .
Personally I find black metal cheesy and full of egotism that isn't very fun to be around, and there is psytrance that reminds me of that same sort of cheesy oh-so-evil-it-hurts-and-makes-me-want-makeup air about it. Ive heard some great tracks topping out above 170bpm, but, high bpm seems to be used as cruise control for mindfuck in many cases. All speed and squidge without a lot of, well, care and thought behind it. But we all know that story.
I say, if it floats your boat, row that fucking thing to your own personal enjoyment regardless if others are rowing alongside you. I mean, this whole scene is basically built on free experimentation and exploration, and dare I say, breaking what was once considered 'normal' and 'proper'.
There is no 'right' or 'wrong' in matters of taste. Fuck em if they can't take a joke.
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 10, 2009 14:01
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I think more the satanic part of this scene is more into the Lavey Satanism.. More about thinking yourself and getting rid of old dogmas that have been spinning in the minds of so many..
The psyscene is a big melting bowl, all kind of philosophy and anarchism is present.. Nothing is right, nor wrong.. Its just up to you to find your path.. And the way is through the dance and the ritual we create on every party and festival (especially gets strong after days with on going ritual and dance).
But im more into the idea of creating our own religion through these parties.. They are allready rituals with many elements you almost only find in this scene...
And its not evil, its just natural... the ying and yang as been said, all is not light.. all is not dark.. So we connect through the ritual with dance and very strong mind bending music... Nothing evil about it, far from it...
We got room for all ideas here, its our scene after all 
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jul 10, 2009 14:46
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I agree that we should create our own religion, but I also should add that we should all be free to create our very own religions. If I want to worship Set-hesh and you want to Jai Shiva, each of us should be allowed to do that if it makes us happy. There should be no rules, other than 'your own personal freedom ends where another's begins'. This works both ways; it also means that those who see certain aspects of modern psytrance as 'evil' and something to avoid cannot expect anyone who enjoys those 'negative' things to restrict themselves simply at the whim of another. There's a word for that, a truly evil word that rarely is spoken in regards to psytrance; Slavery.
Negative and Positive, aren't these too just constructs of consciousness? Does the cheetah in the Savannah feel remorse for killing to live? Does the progress of evolution mourn the passage of the Australopithecus? I had the idea once, that what some call Negative and Positive, are in fact, 2 edges of a circle, 180 degrees from each other. A circle always spinning, and moving forward, which is actually a spiral. So 'good and bad' are just 2 different aspects of the same thing.
I guess, though, some people would rather have their illusions about a shiny happy world free from anything that may disturb that shininess, and for some reason view anything other than shininess as undesirable and unacceptable. In my view, this is like burying the head in the sand to avoid seeing it. Ignoring what may be initially painful. The first step into the ocean is the most terrifying, for those who fear the water. Though, once they get past that, at least in my experience, they wonder just why they were so afraid to begin with.
Some people are afraid. Some people are afraid, and on psychedelics. Then they may hear something, something they have heard before, something someone else told them was 'dark' and 'satanic'. Their mind associates these ideas with fearful imagery, imagery that their consciousness seems to rebel against, imagery that they would rather ignore. Its my opinion that the more disturbing, fearful, unacceptable something is, the more important it is to confront, understand, and ultimately love it. Then, you have freed yourself of your fear which has anchored you to the petty confines of your reality-box, destroying the chains placed on yourself, by yourself, afraid of taking that first plunge into the icy water.
It gets warmer, you know, once you get used to it. It sometimes helps to pee in your swim suit, but isn't necessary. But if you're not peeing on anyone, does it cause any harm? One thing is for sure; if you don't try it, you'll never really know what its like to pee in your swimsuit.
A last thing, before I call this post good; I think that Lavey Satanism has a good message, but, I don't agree with any sort of ritual, or adherence to any set code, or ideals, even Thelema is a code. Break away from others' explanations, just because it worked for Crowley, was right for Crowley, doesn't mean its right for Mudpeople. I think Mudpeople should find his own Aiwass. Following in the footsteps is fine, but, don't forget to question the path, whether or not the previous treader had the most effective way of walking, or even knew where he was going. Scientology is a good example of what happens when people follow a person who isn't going anywhere in particular. In a sense, adherence to a right and good way of experiencing psytrance is just like what L Ron did. And, well, we can see that, just like Hubbard, those doing the aimless leading are making good money doing it, in psytrance, and in the current global paradigm.
Our choices are clear, now; Join the masses, sacrifice freedom and individuality for comfort and stability, or ignore the stagnant old ways, ignore the tried-and-true Appian Way to the Rome of the Self. The Alps have risen, the tectonic plates have shifted. The ancient way was most effective in ancient times, yes, but things are different, our vehicles and construction materials are different, our destinations far from the old Roman centers, the very earth itself wears a different face. For some reason, images of a cockroach trying to escape a smooth glass jar, futilely reaching for nonexistent foothold, come to mind.
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 10, 2009 15:49
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Nice discussion Mudpeople... But when you say you dont want to do any ritual..
What is the dance and the concept behind it ? It looks very much for me like a ritual, and a ritual that got deep roots into the human mind...
People all over gets the same visons and images, sometimes you recognize it many years later..
Thats why its so important to not only have this as a simple mindfuck trip, (party then leave direct home) we should talk more about the experiences and learn from each other... Thus creating our own rules and images...
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Maska
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Posted : Jul 10, 2009 21:41
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As far as our scene, it's not really synonymous with satan. The idea behind this music is love, peace and trance. According to the religions that believe in satan, he was at one point an angel that had human emotions and was cast out of heaven for it.
In trance, we dance our demons away. We stomp on the earth to release the bad energy within us, while at the same time we reach to the heavens, cosmos, or whatever it is for you and accept the light into our souls.......Man, Psytrance rules....
Someone above mentioned Yin Yang as a good representation of trance...and that is right on, I think...The balance between two opposing forces....they constantly battle each other to form a functional middle ground....
That is trance...too much dark, or too much light can throw off the balance...
I can see how some people can relate that energy to satan though, but in most cases it is more than likely a gimmick.......
Some people feel the need to be so much different and more shocking than everyone else. They have to go after the shock factor and try to frighten everyone or something like that...
True Psytrance contains the light and the dark...They intertwine as one to shed enlightenment. To me a perfect track, can be played at anytime.......Night, day, afternoon, whatever...
but then again, who are we to say what is more enlightening?
For the satanist trancers, that may be what they need to reach that state of trance....
So, not my thing and I don't get it, but more power to them if that does it for them.
Xenomorph, is one of my passions and he has a huge dark/goth element to his music, but it is also so beautiful and spiritual...That is why I love it....Some of the other dark stuff out there is just too much...
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 10, 2009 22:00
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Lucifer was not only a former angel, he was Heaven's musician.
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Maska
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Posted : Jul 10, 2009 23:16
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I am no theologian, but that is open for interpretation.
Some believe he was made of pipes and drums and was the ultimate musician.....Others believe those things were voids in his body that he was given as a choices he could make...The voids being that he could hold either gems or rocks (good and bad). Musically, he could make music or noise (also good and bad). In this case he was given the option.....nowhere does it say he was THE musician in heaven as far as I know....Every angel may have been musical for all we know....
But it is known that Lucifer, or Satan was the ulitimate angel...The chosen light.... so, if he was a musician, he would have been the best one for sure...
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jul 11, 2009 01:45
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On 2009-07-10 15:49, kriz wrote:
Nice discussion Mudpeople... But when you say you dont want to do any ritual..
What is the dance and the concept behind it ? It looks very much for me like a ritual, and a ritual that got deep roots into the human mind...
People all over gets the same visons and images, sometimes you recognize it many years later..
Thats why its so important to not only have this as a simple mindfuck trip, (party then leave direct home) we should talk more about the experiences and learn from each other... Thus creating our own rules and images...
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I guess what I mean, really, is rather than follow some set of rules as a guaranteed method to reach a certain goal, such as for example, always having hard 'dark'psy at night and melodic mellower stuff during the day, we should be free to explore other possibilities.
The dance, and what it brings about, are pretty much universally experienced. The interpretations of what it brings about, whether they be metaphysical or not, should be made by each of us.
So basically I just mean, that just because one thing works, just because a Philips-head screw works, doesn't mean a star-head screw won't also work.
By 'ritual', I basically mean the mindless following of a certian formula, expecting it to work.
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hardkornate
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Posted : Jul 11, 2009 04:33
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On 2009-07-11 01:45, mudpeople wrote:
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On 2009-07-10 15:49, kriz wrote:
Nice discussion Mudpeople... But when you say you dont want to do any ritual..
What is the dance and the concept behind it ? It looks very much for me like a ritual, and a ritual that got deep roots into the human mind...
People all over gets the same visons and images, sometimes you recognize it many years later..
Thats why its so important to not only have this as a simple mindfuck trip, (party then leave direct home) we should talk more about the experiences and learn from each other... Thus creating our own rules and images...
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I guess what I mean, really, is rather than follow some set of rules as a guaranteed method to reach a certain goal, such as for example, always having hard 'dark'psy at night and melodic mellower stuff during the day, we should be free to explore other possibilities.
The dance, and what it brings about, are pretty much universally experienced. The interpretations of what it brings about, whether they be metaphysical or not, should be made by each of us.
So basically I just mean, that just because one thing works, just because a Philips-head screw works, doesn't mean a star-head screw won't also work.
By 'ritual', I basically mean the mindless following of a certian formula, expecting it to work.
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I always thought it was a bit odd that dark psy(the hardcore of psy) gets al the peak time slots. When I still played hardcore they generally gave us one hour for the headliner at peak time and any locals had to play during the day.
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Posted : Jul 11, 2009 05:35
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Its sad. Fourteenyearolds screem alot on the internet and organisers think that people want this 150+ bpm crap... :-/
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If your 20+ yeras old and still listen to hardcore,gabber,darkpsy,harsdtyle your brain hasnt developed as it should and you should commit yourself to the nearest psychword. Just my honest opinion. |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 11, 2009 06:16
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On 2009-07-11 05:35, -=Kotten=- wrote:
Its sad. Fourteenyearolds screem alot on the internet and organisers think that people want this 150+ bpm crap... :-/
My honest opinion is:
If your 20+ yeras old and still listen to hardcore,gabber,darkpsy,harsdtyle your brain hasnt developed as it should and you should commit yourself to the nearest psychword. Just my honest opinion.
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Your honest opinion sucks.
That's my honest opinion.
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n.t.t
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