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Djs who play for the time or Djs who play....
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TiAnn
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Posted : May 20, 2004 05:00
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I know the goal of this discussion is to determine whether or not anyone cares about the way music is fed to them at parties/events; I must say- I CARE!
I do expect a DJ to know his approach automatically (as David put it.) I really think it’s cool when a DJ knows how to work a party and feed off various energies generated by the crowd. I’ve seen some DJ’s (one in particular) play some really horrible shit. This person practically cleared the dance floor. Literally! At that point he should have flagged himself and changed the situation. But! Instead he kept playing his g-d AWFUL music and permanently damaged those who heard.
(ok, done venting!)
NEXT THOUGHT: I think all this talk of ego is stupid. Really!
As green nun said: "Ego-less DJ’s do not exist because then you would be Buddha.”
However, I do disagree with the last part of green nuns quote:
"Dwelling upon how one way to structure a party or a set is better than another way is ego driven."
Ego-Driven?
I definitely think one should focus on structure. It's what makes or breaks a party.
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Ok… Lets all be happy and merry! 
Xoxo
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PS: New Discussion...
this "Smiles" icon is called "RUBBING HEADS" 
Doesn't it look like they're making out???
David- lets practice rubbing heads! LoL.
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djlightavatar
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Posted : May 20, 2004 12:50
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i have to compliment "ofthenutboom" for his/her comments on how to stucture a party.I totally agree with you my friend coz when i play a long set say from 11pm to 11am in the morning this is exactly how i like to stucture the set.First start off with early night music slowly progressing into middlenight by 12.30 am then going completely dark which i call a late night set at about 2 o'clock,then start to play my dawn tracks welcoming the light at about 4.30-5.00 in the morning(also depending on where im playing and wot time is sunrise)then going into a morning set with full on morning tunes-not cheesy melodies of course! and then at about 9 in the morning start with a late morning set.
boom boom!!! to you my friend and hope we can do something like this together.You sure know how to ride the trip!!!!
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Nik©
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Posted : May 20, 2004 13:32
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Bro please explain me the difference 146 or 148 bpm ? and whats the problem with playing this bpm ?
i understand 180 - 200 bpm u can get tired quick , but as long as it below , lets say 150 , i dont think it matters , cause a normal heart rate of a running person is around that number ( a little more maby 160 ) if i play any time day or night i play 146 minimum , and most likely 148 |
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : May 20, 2004 19:45
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Most tracks are written in a range of 135 to 146. That being the fastest. no wait I think I can recall an Israeli cd having 147 bpm tracks on it. Whatever the case may be, the tracks were not written at that speed(148-150). NOW IM NOT SAYING that you should play it slower, but frequencies that were placed in a certain soundscape by the artist can't possibly be given the chance to truly shine at such a fast speed. It is only my preference to play these variable speeds but you are entitled to play at WHATEVER speed you like!
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offthenutboom
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Posted : May 20, 2004 20:39
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David 
I tend to disagree with your view, even if it is the eternal traditional discussion: Should we play the track in its original form or should you just play what rings better in our ear?
For me it all depends. When I record a set to listen I usually play the music much faster (148-150). At events, I usually build it to 145, since ppl nowadays have a speed limit in their dancing.
As long as we know the speed limit of our ppl everything will be alright, even if the frequencies change. I mean if you see ppl bored out of their mind @ 145 in desperate need of some interstellar speed, turn on the hyperspace engines and warp this universe a bit |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : May 20, 2004 20:40
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DJ Light,
If that is the case destiny will set us together
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TiAnn
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Posted : May 20, 2004 22:31
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Offthenutboom-
What part of David's view do you disagree with? I'm having a hard time understanding. You quoted:
"As long as we know the speed limit of our ppl everything will be alright, even if the frequencies change. I mean if you see ppl bored out of their mind @ 145 in desperate need of some interstellar speed, turn on the hyperspace engines and warp this universe a bit"
I think this is exactly what David writes of... Tuning into those peoples vibes that are out there on the dance floor! I think some are mistaking David's words and are missing the big picture. To say you disagree and then make a comment that basically agrees; I'm confused. 
What I get from this discussion is that everyone agrees there should be structure. How it is to be structure is entirely up to the DJ based on the surroundings placed in. I also believe the promoter should ultimately be in-charge of the type of party he intends to have. If he knows a certain DJ likes to play at a particular bpm (whether higher/lower) he should structure his DJ’s accordingly.
I am not here to side with anyone.
However, I must compliment & give credit to David –aka- KIVA. If there is any one man out there who knows more about structure and how to play a party; It's THIS MAN!!! Not only does he know the smarts of being a DJ, he studies his music and the crowds in which he plays to. He deserves an A+ in the arts of production & structure. And, I can honestly say that I don’t think there is one person out there who will disagree with me having heard him play. He’s my Favorite!
Keep at ‘em Baby! 
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green nun
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Posted : May 21, 2004 01:14
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"Dwelling upon how one way to structure a party or a set is better than another way is ego driven."
last little comment from me.. Since we're not talking about a scientific formula or mathematical configuration I don't think there is a set structure which is better or worse than another or more right or wrong and to assume there is or to put down or look down on the structure or lack thereof of another dj or organizer is where I think egos rule supreme.
Music is an art and as such should and will always be experimented with and on..throughout history people have changed the "structure" and thought outside the box and as a result changed the face of music or a musical genre forever.
All I'm saying is to keep an open mind .. if you don't like something then be constructive not destructive in the way you present your opinion or advice. What you don't like may very well appeal to others and vice versa. (disclaimer: this last comment is not directed to any person just a general comment  )
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TiAnn
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Posted : May 21, 2004 03:02
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I think the choice in words for my opinions are being misinterpreted.
First I'd like to say that when using the term "structure" I speak of organization. Every DJ/Promoter should be organized and prepared for any given circumstance. A DJ can play whatever the hell he (she) wants. However, I strongly feel a DJ should at all times tune into the feedback from those that surround him (her) in movement.
I cannot say that in all honesty "I could care less if a DJ is good or bad," because I do. But let it be known that I still have respect for those trying to be an up-n-coming DJ. You have to start somewhere. Right? And not all DJ's are born naturals.
I also cannot say that in all honesty "I could care less if a DJ plays good or bad music," because I do.
These are my opinions, and solely my own. To disagree with me is fine. No explanation necessary; rather taken. Direct, is the way my opinions spill out. If I find there is something I like or dislike, I will tell as is. I will not try to construct or destruct any situation which my opinion(s) are based on in any way... I don't have time for that.
Note that I am in no way here to give anyone advice.
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I would also like to add that all this talk of "Egos" is getting on my nerves. Really.
We are all ego-driven HUMANS! Without ego, we'd all be paralyzing unmotivated individuals. One definition for "ego" is to have appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem. To be egotistic is a whole other topic I will not touch basis on; being that I am no one to say who is or who is not, or whether it is right or wrong. I really don't care.
All I can say to support what I have typed here in this forum (not what anyone else has) is that coming from one who is within the crowd dancing and feeding off the energies from both music & man; the way music is constructed to move me is essential. It has to be done the right way or no way (once again my opinion for those who believe there isn't a right or wrong,) because anyone can put a cd in a player or record on a turntable, but then what. Those of you who might know me will already know this. Ask David how many times I've corrected him on his mistakes. (yes he's human.)
It's just that I don't like hearing good music go to waist by someone who thinks they can DJ certain music at a certain time and/or place. Bottom Line. Ever heard the saying: "There's a time and place for everything."
I don't mean to sound offensive to anyone. Please don't read my words this way. I accept all opinions, criticism, disagreements... anything. And I accept them with no hard feelings; nothing is taken personal.
As for 'green nun,' know that I am in no way attacking your opinions. Both you and Jason are awesome spirits. I would in no way disrespect either one of you. That goes for both David and I. When we type on message boards such as, it is impossible to hear the way we speak and explain or support our words/topics. 
I hope to see the both of you in the near future.
xoxoxoxoxo
tiann
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offthenutboom
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Posted : May 21, 2004 07:55
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TiAnn,
I just disagree with the frequency bit. You know that the artists write a song to be heard only @ its original speed. |
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malice
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Posted : May 21, 2004 09:11
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i think music is an art........... no way in hell should there be any rules invovled..........plain and simple,botton line............... |
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