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David(KIVA)
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Posted : May 19, 2004 05:05
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This is a topic I've heard different opinions on and was curious to see how it unfolds.
I would like to ask everyone, Djs and party people who dance religously, if you mind it when a DJ who is said to play at the begining of a party SLAMS IT! (146bpm to 145bpm) as if there were 10,000 people in front of him/her at 9-11:00 pm. Or the DJ who slams it at 6-10:00 am when everyone is all danced out.
Do you even care? is it only about hearing the music the way its given to you or do you expect a DJ who is good to know this approach automatically.
I personally think that it is the obligation of the promoter to make the initial judgment. Knowing how a DJ plays is important when your making a line-up. Then it is on the DJ to comply with that descision made by the promoter. The begining of the party should be the begining of the journey not the hyper space jump into the full on frenzy that will follow naturally.
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Surrender
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Posted : May 19, 2004 06:57
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David,
At Ecliptic-Trance we believe in progression, or as you stated: a journey. party kicks off at 11pm and under no circumstances will the music be pumping as hard a charging rhino herd at this time. the bpm will not exceed the realms of 140 (+/-) and the type of music will fit that time as well. We make sure to do several things:
1. pick a dj capable of this type of music.
2. make sure to instruct and stress this point to them.
3. make sure to keep it psy most importantly i think... just because the bpm is low and the genre is progressive, doesnt mean the music cannot work like magic.
in our opinion you cannot reach the sky without a steady foundation, you cannot have meaning to the morning melodies if they have been pumping since 11pm constantly... you cannot have the "Spiritually Correct" evening you seek without a proper build.
regarding slamming everyone in the morning is a tricky one since there are 2 main schools of thought on this:
Israeli = escalation of music and sounds from the night into the morning maddness and higher bpm and that rhino herd i was talking about before...
Scandinavian = a cool down of sounds in the morning with a lower bpm and less hectic sounds. very groovy and leading to a relaxing soft landing from the party.
@ Ecliptic-Trance we go by the first method and finish the party (after the last artist finished the crowd) with a nice chillout cd, so that people may have some sounds instead of a sudden silence, something that can leave one mostly disoriented... (we leave that to the street and regular people to do that to you hehehehe)
hope i answered you somewhat.
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sage2012
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Posted : May 19, 2004 07:38
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i tend to agree with surrender... the party organizer should be familiar enough with the musical tendancies of the evening's talent so as to schedule them for the appropiate timeslots. this isn't only beneficial for the people that are attending the event who expect the energy to pick-up over the course of the night and then ease-off a bit after the sun has come up... it also allows the djs that are playing an opportunity to really focus on the type of music that they specialize in. of course, there are many many psy djs out there that play every shade of trance out there and can play for any crowd depending on what mood they are in. however, very often a dj will arrive at an event with a concrete idea of what new tracks they absolutely have to share with the crowd and what kind of trip they would like to take people on, and having to change everything around to suit an early/late timelot becomes a distraction and prevents him or her from concentrating on the material that they are most familiar with or excites them the most, especially when they have to dig around in their cd/record case for material that would be suitable for a set that they weren't really contemplating having to play. the crowd can usually tell when a dj is feeling his or her set, and can also tell when a dj is just playing what he or she thinks the crowd wants to hear.
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : May 19, 2004 08:33
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Surrender,
It's good to hear that you have the same opinion as us (Green Sector). People should not be forced fed this music. What do others think? I remeber when I played my first couple parties, It was hard to play slow when all I wanted to do was show people I could play fast (even though now I realise I still needed alot of work). In other words I checked my ego when I was presented with the opportunity. Could ego be a factor in this? Maybe this is why we have to suffer through it at parties. I find that new DJs tend to slam more then others. And its just a shame to see it when its an established DJ.
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Surrender
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Posted : May 19, 2004 08:36
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : May 19, 2004 10:07
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On 2004-05-19 07:38, sage2012 wrote:
however, very often a dj will arrive at an event with a concrete idea of what new tracks they absolutely have to share with the crowd and what kind of trip they would like to take people on, and having to change everything around to suit an early/late timelot becomes a distraction and prevents him or her from concentrating on the material that they are most familiar with or excites them the most, especially when they have to dig around in their cd/record case for material that would be suitable for a set that they weren't really contemplating having to play. |
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Do you think people who pay for these events should be concerned if a dj is distracted or unable to concentrate?
Knowing what new tracks to play is perfectly alright. Saying your going to play this track then that one right after I think is the problem. No matter what time your slot changes to or doesnt change to.
or do you think a dj should just bring his best and improv the rest.
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Posted : May 19, 2004 10:34
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namaste,i completely agree with the moderators and david's opinion coz this is how its meant to be done. the party has to go in progression ultimately building it up till there is a cosmic orgasm!!!Thats the way we try and make the goa parties. |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : May 19, 2004 16:50
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IMHO the organizer or the person designing the lineup should function as a director. He or she knows the local fluoronauts, traditions and expectations. Many times this should not be the decision of one person but of all the ppl directly involved in the event. For us it is two or three usually.
Also I never tell a DJ what to play. I choose the DJs who i have absolute confidence in the passion to take on a time. I hate ppl telling the DJ what to play, because from an artist they become a jukebox. A DJ has to invent and not recreate.
I have been in place where anything short of banging @ anytime is not allowed. Also I have been in places where it feels like a big old tease and the thrusters never ignite. But that is the tradition of the local place they are @.
The way I have always made lineup is:
First DJ should be able to build it from 0, nothing to night. By the end of his/her set ppl are already bouncing with a great deal of energy. I have always admire this DJs, because they jumpstart the party. This is the most varied and longer set of the night. Not only for its function, but because most of the times ppl arrive late and the beginning of the set is usually idle. Also music for this slot is unique and original.
Second DJ, around 2 or 3AM should be a dark warlord. It is deep night and it will be the only chance most of the humans will have the stamina to enter in the dark adventure. The set will start darker and raw and progress into a more uplifting dark feeling to finish with the glare of the coming light. The whole set should be pushing the limits. Nights with too much melody detract from the mornings, and fluff night make many go to sleep.
3rd DJ should just bang straight beauty, with shinning color, putting a great smile on everyone. But, music should be still very hard and raw. I am not to fond of melodic mornings myself, but for some it is def. needed. This DJ should also be a light warlord, since the morning should carry the energy of the night, but illuminate all who can suddenly see their beautiful surroundings. And let me be clear on this, by melodic I do not mean cheese  Because there is nothing worse than a cheese morning. Ad in my case it is def hard to find melodic and not cheese these days.
4th DJ should just slow it down a tad for a day to cure the injured and regain the energy for the next night This DJ has more freedom in the range of music he or she put in the set. Ppl also want to do things during the day and music becomes more of a partner than the center of attention.
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Maska
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Posted : May 19, 2004 17:27
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Although I do agree starting the first track of he night at 145/146 is extremly excessive, to assume it's ego driven is not right and only shows ego, in my opinion.....It's basically saying, "well I beat my ego, why can't they?". Not everyone thinks the same way. Not everyone is ego driven.
For me personally, it's more about giving it straight from the deepest part of my heart.....From nowhere but pure love for the feeling I get from the music myself. If I play "progressive", I would be what you call a poser, because it is not true to me. So, I cannot spread truth if I don't know it myself........
For me, it is about nothing but LOVE and the need to share my love with everyone!!! But again, just me. assumption is the mother of all fuckups. |
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Maska
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Posted : May 19, 2004 18:22
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Another thing to think about is that there is no right or wrong way.
Each promoter structures their parties and people attend based on their preference. And personally, I have always liked the crowd Psytribe parties bring. I've always felt at home there and free of judgement, which is the way I like my trance.
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : May 19, 2004 23:22
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Jason
I only asked the question.. could ego be a problem?
And your right, it was a battle within me and only me. I shared it because I think that expierience has only made me wiser. Should everyone else do the same? Thats up to you and yours. Playing a set that is driven from what you are feeling sounds more ego driven to me. I don't think playing a different sound or style is wrong for your dj image either. If anything I think people will gain a respect for you if you can tame your natural tendencies and conform to the time, if your playing at an early time. When its your turn to rock it you will know because the time slots you get will come later in the night.
jason just curious.... you have heard me play early sets and I can recall playing non Full-on music maybe even progressive. You have also heard me play Full-on banging sets. Would I qualify under the poser category?
IMO Being part of any promoter team or being a dj will allways bring judgment on you wether you like it or feel it, it doesn't matter. Your only as good as your last performance. That is why we are having this discussion to find out what people have to say so we can determine the right from the wrong. In the long run, setting guidelines for others who want to learn.
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Inu
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Posted : May 20, 2004 00:11
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Hi David,
I've played out twice so far (full-on sets) and about to do a third (which is earlier, so less full-on... probably). My thought so far is:
1. fit the time
2. play what you want to hear
The 2nd is most important IMO... I know a lot of djs with incredible music collections, but they hardly get to play any of it because they second guess the crowd. 'it's not party music' or 'it's not what the kids are dancing to'. Ego shouldn't be a problem... if the dj has a high opinion of themselves and of their music, that energy will carry over to the crowd. IMHO.
I like peaks and valleys too so a night that begins Full-On, goes into deep progressive and ends Full-On is most excellent to me. 
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green nun
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Posted : May 20, 2004 01:49
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So true Inu...
I tend to dance alot at the parties and talk to the other people who are dancing alot and believe me not too many people leave the party talking about what great structure the organizers presented and what a great DJ order they put together....
I do agree that there needs to be some kind of order if the beginning is the “hyper space jump into a full on frenzy” then so be it that is the beginning of that particular journey and to assume all journeys are or should be the same could be considered ego driven.
I do notice that most of those who are DJs don’t dance as much because from what it appears they are too involved in an in depth play by play analysis of the music or the DJ who is playing. While I'm enjoying a song they will be the ones to tell me how much that song sucks and how don't I notice the arrangement of this beat or that melody… maybe I do and maybe I don’t but having a good time and feeling a good vibe for me isn’t dependent on how flawless a mix or a set is.
Ego-less DJs do not exist because then you would be Buddha. I don’t think being excited and feeding off the high energy from the 10 people or 10,000 people in front of you is ego driven. Refusing to play because there are 10 people and not 10,000 people is ego driven. Dwelling upon how one way to structure a party or a set is better than another way is ego driven.
And David I hope you know Jason respects you and your playing a lot..I think you do. I’m not sure why it even crossed your mind that he would direct that at you in any way. I know that it took a lot for him to even consider minimal music cuz he just doesn’t care for it as much as full-on music. He can DJ it but you speak of the journey that needs to be created and if you don’t feel the music then pack up your bags cuz the journey has been cut short…this scene deserves more than just a dude with headphones who can mix but is not really into the music…so he feels like a poser playing music he doesn’t really listen to unless he has to play it.
We’re part of something important and divisiveness is just counterproductive and so not what those carefree hippies dancing on Goa envisioned this musical revolution to be
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : May 20, 2004 03:30
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"I’m not sure why it even crossed your mind that he would direct that at you in any way."
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On 2004-05-19 17:27, Uncle Bob wrote:
to assume it's ego driven is not right and only shows ego, in my opinion.....It's basically saying, "well I beat my ego, why can't they?". Not everyone thinks the same way. Not everyone is ego driven.
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Green Nun if this does not seem directed at my comment then I dont know what is.
AGAIN I only asked the question... Could ego be a problem?
You can read into that how you want to but it is a question not a comment. And when I said that the journey should start a cerain way I was only stating my opinion. I thought THAT is what we are doing here.
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"I don’t think being excited and feeding off the high energy from the 10 people or 10,000 people in front of you is ego driven."
It is if you have your hands in the air and you pointing at the ten people in the crowd and going crazy like your on MTV!! I've seen it with my own eyes. That is why I used that as an example.
You are entitled to think that something is ego driven or comments are ego driven and that is your opinion. I know that jason respects me but I only shared my expierience to shed more light on my opinion. Not to say that it was better to act that way about it.
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