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DJ Technique in psy trance

nobody_3
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Posted : Sep 14, 2003 16:20
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I only know 2 3/4 tracks there is a hallucinogen one (that starts 4/4 and shifts midway into 3/4 and then back into 4/4) and one by Total Eclipse (that starts 3/4 and shifts in the middle to 4/4)






I made a track with a 4/4 kick and a 3/4 bass.

And it worked
Borris
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Posted : Sep 15, 2003 12:30
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3. Most important - Track selection. You could beat match well, and even get the music structure right, but if you dont play the right track at the right time of my trip then in my opnion you suck ass.



Then I assume 99.9% of the DJ's would suck ass, It's imposible for me to get into your head and find out what is right for you especially when you are tripping.
unless you like full on hits then it's not a problem, but i would still suck ass as i don't play that stuff.           Kinetic Honda GmbH, Worldwide Supliers of Quality noise.
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Christian
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Posted : Sep 15, 2003 12:48
The right way is the be open for the dj`s music and choise. All your favorite music you can listen at your homes or on the way to the party in your cars. You pay entrance to get something new and something what you don`t expect. Right??? I think this is a real trip.

There are just a few dj`s who knows how to work with the growd and the technique, not only in the psytrance scene. Imagine we would have so many "best DJ`s"! Quite boring association...

A good DJ has to have not only skills. He also needs a great charisma (most djs don`t have) and a good selection of tracks and he has to be a good entertainer.

And still the best effect is: If you go to a party and the DJ plays something what you never had listen before. I mean this "whaaaaat is this" effect. If you talk about this special moment two or three weeks later, then you realy enjoyed a good DJ.

don`t forget it was this "whaaaat is this" effect in our dancemusic!!!!

peace
KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Sep 15, 2003 14:59
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On 2003-09-15 12:48, Christian wrote:
You pay entrance to get something new and something what you don`t expect. Right??? I think this is a real trip.



Very nice point IMO, Christian, which also explains why I don't especially (even rarely) listen to psyTrance by the week... The most exciting thing is to be surprised by what U hear !!

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On 2003-09-15 12:48, Christian wrote:
don`t forget it was this "whaaaat is this" effect in our dancemusic!!!!



Maybe this is one of the problem of the numerous peoples complaining about any "death of the scene", or violently arguing in these vain and endless "full on VS progressive" discussions... They're just expecting the music they use to listen every day, without interest for anything else..

..and this is just a pity..           .
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Chi
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Posted : Sep 15, 2003 16:43
Let give my (amateur) opinion, i'm a bedroom dj.

I agree with most of what's been said above, but i think trance is not necessairily easier to mix than techno or house. It's just different.
House/techno has just more technique, the music is more modular.
You can't just mix for 4-5 min two full-on tracks, because you can't bring up the midrange frequencies for a little, then cut them, like you easily do mixing house.

Last week i invited a house dj (amateur too) to try my setup. I had no house or techno with me, so he had to mix with psytrance.

He was a very good mixer, mixing in the right bars, he was innovative and imaginative in his mixes and he did something i didn't see any house dj do: he beatmatch two psytrance tracks he didn't know in less than a minute. Most house dj's (friends of mine) sometimes take up to 5 min to find a beatmatch, especially with dark trance (and those i'm talking about are professional).

Anyway, i'll get to the point. Even with all this technique, the guy kept assassinating the musics. He kept the tracks for 4 min mixing, then cutted the midrange, upped again, nicely mixed, but horribly sounding for any psytrance lover.

That's why i say, they're just different techniques. But i have to agree with my friends, house is much more fun to mix than trance! Too bad i like trance much more...


Anyway, i want to leave here a question: why haven't i seen any psytrance dj using EFX processor?
It is so strange... In my country, i'd say about 5 in 10 professional house/techno dj's have one, as well as 9 out of 10 clubs (honestly!)!
And don't tell me "it doesn't fit in a psytrance set", that's BULLSHIT!
You just have to know when to use it...
planet_zohar

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Posted : Sep 15, 2003 17:31
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i'm a bedroom dj.

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bedroom dj???? what the hell is that? :)

anyway i think christian is right. when u go to listen to someone u wanna hear smt new and refreshing not the same stuff u hear at home. but it doesnt mean that u will be happy if u expect prog and get hard full on i mean just new stuff that u dont have at home.
at the beggining u get the "wow" effect from every trance u hear
but after 4 years when u get your good cds at home when u go and hear the same stuff u have u are not impressed too much,
only from the skills. so u get the "wow" thing when u hear good dj that play stuff that sorprise u and comes in good flow.

the conclusion:
be a good dj is a hard work.
thats my 5 shekels.

          let's take a walk on the proogy side
DiMiTry
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 00:38
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On 2003-09-15 16:43, Chi wrote:

Anyway, i want to leave here a question: why haven't i seen any psytrance dj using EFX processor?
It is so strange... In my country, i'd say about 5 in 10 professional house/techno dj's have one, as well as 9 out of 10 clubs (honestly!)!
And don't tell me "it doesn't fit in a psytrance set", that's BULLSHIT!
You just have to know when to use it...



There's an EFX processor on every DJM 500 and 600 mixer. And some psytrance dj's use it, I've used it before, too - mostly during breaks in the track, though. It's not that it doesn't fit with the music - it makes everything even busier, and there's just no need for it, usually. But once in a while it's fun, I agree. Just use it very sparingly.
More minimal styles of music are better served by the FX processors. Still, I would say they same thing - let the tracks stand on their own, and use the FX wisely. Too much FX can destroy your set as easily as bad mixing.
timsensient
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 01:11
getting the beats matched is the easy part....

0.7% = 1bpm

its getting the eq's right and getting both tracks running at the same point in the cycle that is harder, and also thinking of the pitch of both tracks...how many people here do key mixing? (i dont btw)
Zombi
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 01:18
u dont do key mixing coze its not allways 0.7 %

at least from my expirience. esspecialy if u play not 140 bpm.
at 129 bpm that i ply mostly its 0.6 or 0.5.
i dont think about this 0.? thing, i just pitch it and check for half min till i get exact synchro.

and about whole thing again - dont think there is such thing as "harder to mix style", its all depends how deep u feel the music and what exact u try to make on mixer. one thing for sure - its harder to mix two realy different tunes than two very similar ones, without style matter. once u start and try mix them all, its became a hard but funfull thing.           Believe your soul !
Pak-Man
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 02:47
Cool thread guys some good info from both professional and bedroom DJ's, keep those records spinning!           Progressive, Full-on? Its all good <;}
Pak-Man
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 02:53
I find when i'm mixing my Mid's and Hi's usually just sit on 0dB through out my sets could anyone give me some tips on when I should be using them? Thanx           Progressive, Full-on? Its all good <;}
Chi
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 06:15
Is key mixing the .7% thing?
timsensient
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 11:21
yeh the 0.7 thing is not totally accurate but it is a good guide to help you get close, and then you make further adjustments.

Key mixing is refering to mixing tracks so they are the same key(pitch) or 2 different keys that fit well together.
Zombi
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 11:27
so lets leave 0.7 thing to lazys:)

there is some kool tool - lets say your trck is too fast, so u move dial jog in the clock direction (from left to right) in the same time move the pitch from down to up (from slow to fast) make sure your jog moving stuck the kicks together and pitch slow became a right point. after some training u will able to make a betmatch (tottal one) in one short operation with one move.

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krelm
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 12:29
Going a little off-topic into the key-mixing thing....

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On 2003-09-16 01:18, Zombi wrote:
u dont do key mixing coze its not allways 0.7 %



That small of a pitch control change actually won't change the key. I have seen a lot of discussion regarding key mixing, and the consenus from the people that are really faithful to it (and really know what they are talking about) is that it takes a change of about 4% in order to shift the key one upwards or downwards.

If you know the key of a track, you will know where the key lies when you have the speed changed as well (especially if you are working within 1-2%). The main issue with key matching in DJing is that it is a lot of off-the-decks work.

1. You have to go through all your records and find the key of them.
2. You have to know which keys will work well together (music books)
3. You have to know which of your tracks really need to be mixed in key (usually ones with more atmospheres/melodies) and which you can not worry about it (minimal/percussive).

It may sound very difficult and like too much work, but consider it like any other DJ skill. Once you put the work and practice into being able to do it, it will become less of a struggle and more natural. And it will definitely improve the musicality of your mixes.

I haven't really put much work into it yet mainly because I have no synths and lack a good computer-based tool to find the key of tracks. But I would like to play with this in the near future. I can sense when I am out of key in a mix, and it almost is painful to hear.
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