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Differing styles of music in cities in the US & Canada?
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kameleonpangea36
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 17:08
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i feel the night just needs to flow, its nice to have different sets of progressions for different nights, and as crazy as it sounds the time of year and weather can also play a part in a persons experience at a party, but the night needs to have a movement, personally i dont like hearing really fast hard stuff till bout 1-2am, but some do. speaking of styles and cities here in greenville SC the majority of the trance crowd are from Brasil and Colombia and they tend to like the more upbeat-fullon (sirius isness, eskimo, sestosento ect.).
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 17:21
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Dimitry,
I play Derango, Grapes, NRS, Jahbo, Para Halu, Darkpsy, Quasar, and anything else that has power and depth (Which is very hard to find). Last party I played for eg: I played a track from Uni. Beautiful Melodies, not just full on, but psy trance. Maybe on the playful side. The DJ b4 me was playing german progressive so I needed a transition. Then I played very good dark music and the floor cleared. Two tracks later they were dancing like crazy. So bottomline, I play what i have to play, follow my heart and trust ppl will have an open mind. But for the explosion to happen, ppl have to be prepared. @ Least here in FL.
Ocelot
I feel there is a lack of attention to detail. I remember artists spending 3 months to make a track in the past. Now the is pressure to release faster and faster, so music get rehashed over and over again. It is true it is hard to find good melodies in trance. It is very hard to find powerful music, either night or day, which is deep, psychedelic and has advanced music principles applied to them. I mean some goa music in the past the melodies were played live and were very organic/human. This contrasts with plenty of music nowadays which is loop generated and very predictable. |
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ocelot
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 18:46
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Off the Nut Boom: I agree with you regarding the general quality of current trance music.
Ok so I joined the happening SF trance scene in 1997 after 5 years of LA this and that. desert parties with everything from house to goa etc...
i loved the focus on psychedelic trance. the ccc rocked. the parties had intention and focus. the music was the most subtly intelligent stuff around.
when you listen to TIP 3D or UX Ultimate Experience or Prana or or or it was QUALITY INTELLIGENT music.
now, i'll be partisan here for a second then i'll return to the big picture:
At the Fusion party here in sf about 1 month ago- there were two trance rooms- one nasty dark short little basement with SHITTY sound and horrible ambience, and one glorious main big room with PHAT sound, tons of light and color, and a bunch more people- granted most of them were alcohol/E clubbers and not generally out for trance but basically a bigger more bad-ass setup...
its TOTALLY not fair to compare the two setups. one was ghetto and one was nice. I even heard a friend of mine saying "oh this crappy sound fits the music" because in their mind the crazy psychedelic stuff is crappy and painful and therefore it fits. I thought that was the epitome of the attitude plagueing trance- cartoonery and caricature.
i would much rather have hear the amazing music of Dejan and Entropy sandwiched between Nomad and Astrix on a PHAT system in a PHAT room than to have two separate trips where people never have to mingle, never have to encounter anything different than what they expect etc....
while people don't come to trance party for education i really feel like this spoon-feeding only what they think they like already is UTTER CRAP.
mix it up.
Some of the most current underground music is being made right now and our STUPIDITY as a scene will prevent it from being heard because of close-minded ideas and categorical thinking.
So- i propose MIXED line-ups with attention to flow. I propose having only ONE trance stage/room with ONE big soundsystem and don't let one style of music dominate.
Now i'll return from my partisan rant to say that in san francisco today we have some JUVENILE BULLSHIT that arises from folks who were all part of the CLUB trance scene... Dark vs Light ooooh what utter bullshit. back in the day of real psychedelic trance we recognized the transcendental nature of music and how a journey through all parts was required. all this trouble only started when we started putting trance into the clubs and not keeping it underground.
fuck the Alcohol and E mafias. Fuck them.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 20:27
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On 2005-04-12 16:56, ocelot wrote:
the recent melodic stuff seems really
1)not psychedelic
2)like happy hardcore slowed down.
its a very sad state of affairs where melody lovers are offered crappy cheese and learn to like it...
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I don't think it's 'learning to like it' but more 'we've got no options'. Most psy people would much rather hear intelligent music, in my experience. Now 90% of full-on is cheesy and repetitive, and you have to really dig to find the good tracks. But it's getting a bit better, slowly, imo. Returning from being the hole of 'full on', back toward being 'psychedelic trance.' Yes, we've heard of it. 
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rich
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 20:38
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Bravo OCELOT. You said all that needs to be said.
"back in the day of real psychedelic trance we recognized the transcendental nature of music and how a journey through all parts was required"
That's what it's all about. |
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 20:58
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Ocelot----
I couldnt agree with you more! My friend was telling me about sf and that whole two room thing and I had to laugh my ass off!! Dark in one room and Light in the other. What a fucking joke. I also remeber a time when it didnt matter what came out the speakers and I wish it would go back to that! I mean.. for starters i wouldnt feel the pressure I feel today when im selecting my tracks for certain crowds. (will they egg me if i play ___) It drives me mad. Ultimately I play what defines me and my taste and cross my fingers. At least thats what I did when I played at organix on 23 w Cordova in Canada! They didnt egg me there..thank god! Real cool people in canada! It was just an LA dj in Canada and nobody said a thing about it. Or at least to my knowledge-
So styles shmyles. blah blah blah! lets just go back to calling it psychedelic trance and leave it at that!
Oh and Ive been an alcoholic for years (not proud of it- just being honest) and it has never made me want to start something or make waves in this scene. SO dont hate on the drinkers!!! hate on irresponsable people who dont know how to handle thier drug of choice! I personally dont like people who do speed but I sure as hell dont say FUCK THEM. I just dont associate with them. just a thought. You may have a deeper personal meaning to saying that so If i dont understand...sorry.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 21:07
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On 2005-04-12 17:21, offthenutboom wrote:
Dimitry,
So bottomline, I play what i have to play, follow my heart and trust ppl will have an open mind. But for the explosion to happen, ppl have to be prepared. @ Least here in FL.
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I think it's the case with all musical styles that aren't mainstream. For the longest time I had to sneak part-sets of dark stuff into more full-on sets.
Now I have sneak more 'full-on' sets into dark sets, 'cause people are more used to dark. haha.
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PsytillIdie
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Posted : Sep 7, 2005 19:29
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Speaking from personal experience, the Western Canadian Psy scene is still a bit fledgling. That said, Calgary is known for its progressive psy (holla at Nocturnal), Edmonton is currently experiencing a full-on revival (the Raging Shaman crew) and the West Coast is doing it up right with pretty much all things psy. (Holla at Organix Productions)
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Lauryn
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Posted : Sep 7, 2005 20:13
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Perhaps we should add Mexico into this discussion... I'm curious about the differing styles of music there as well....
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psy_greg
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Posted : Sep 7, 2005 20:49
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In Montreal you can expect top notch djs and lives if you're into proper fullon psy. I would say they are getting just as good as in europe. You also have alot of tech trance and progressive artists. And thank god most of the djs in montreal know how to beat match as i have seen alot of djs who cant or dont in usa or canada.
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Fria
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Posted : Sep 8, 2005 04:23
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Well it would be hard to determine what kinds of Psytrance different cities lean towards simply because I do not believe that the herd mentality would work here. Also Psytrance is Psytrance...if its progressive and minimal then that in itself takes away from the Psychedelic nature of the music and then i do not think it is Psytrance at all. It seems invalid to say "We on the East Coast prefer Progressive...etc." What holds true for some may not hold true for all.
Psychedelic Trance is Psychedelic Trance ( I know I'm repeating myself)....Its only recently that everyone has started giving it sub genres, dark vs. light etc...back in the day, everyone rocked down to whatever the DJ played...as long as it was Psychedelic and it had a journey....there were no boundries, no limitations, no requirements and it worked. Now its gotten too complicated, too specific as far as classification and too commercial..people forget how to lose themselves in the music... |
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rachel
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 04:46
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Fria - thank you for that - i agree with you totally....
I've seen some amazing artists since being back in New York - all types of sets in all types of settings - from that unbelievable T.o.u.c.h. Samadhi set in Pine Barrens a few weeks ago, to Hujaboy's morning revelation in Spirit a few months ago, to Ms. Badass Lauryn herself, instigator of this discussion, at TDC, alongside Penta, Gadi, CPU, etc.... (you too fria, but sadly i missed you ;-) - and believe me, everyone told me what i missed!)... even Visual paradox in a crap club in Queens and of course Brendan Adams opening and closing headliners all over the place....
All these artists play different music, and all are incredible. They do it with a great set-up or without. They are real artists.....They get the crowd moving no matter what - because they touch us, pick us up, start us on our journey.
I'm with you fria - that's what psychedelic trance is.
But what has surprised me in North America is that there are only so few of us who really pay attention to the music. I remember in India when an artist would skip one little tiny beat at a party - the floor would ERUPT with shouts and laughter (who can ever forget Gavin and his "good mixing good mixing!!").
Here, most of the crowd doesn't pay attention - they don't hear the set as a set. It gets dissolved into arguments over dark vs happy, and the social vibe takes precedence over the music all too often.
I'm not talking about everyone of course - i don't mean to generalize. If you're reading this, then surely you're one of the core and the caring ;-) But for all the passionate arguments over "dark", "happy", "full-on", "minimal", etc., that i hear at these shows and that i read on-line, there are few people who really pay attention to the artist doing the work on stage - and who join the artist on the journey, whatever the "genre" is.
Dark, morning, progressive, whatever. Just give us the trip. Give us some talent and some vision.
I have a theory. Psytrance is young in most N. American cities - it's just not well-known yet. And because it really is complex, intelligent, layered music, it takes time to get to know it. To understand that it surpasses all these genres.
There's a core of tranceheads, but not a real base of power yet. Maybe the crowds haven't been sufficiently exposed to the concept of the "journey" just yet - and maybe that's where all this passionate arguing comes from.
Let's give it some time, and try to deliver some great sets of all kinds in the meanwhile.....
OK i just realized that not only am i veering slightly off-topic, but i'm sounding dangerously like i think i know best for all of the US and Canada.
I don't mean to sound like i think i know any such thing. But when engaged intellectually, i get a little carried away. Forgive me for that. It's all of your collective fault, for getting me interested in this discussion............
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 07:43
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Guys and gals, all ye New Yorkers, you need to get out and experience a true DARK psy set. NOT Power Horror psy - talking about extreme psychedelic music. Try Zik or Fractal Cowboys, Derango, Jahbo, Kindzadza, Abnormal, Procs etc... Then you can talk about what psychedelic music really can be. none of this afternoon tea party ditties masquerading as psychedelia.
of course Penta, Onnomon, and Ocelot are truly amazing in their own right and their music is unique, but they are not the psychedelic extreme by any means. and how can you really know what's what and where if you don't know where the edge is? 
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 18:03
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On 2005-09-10 07:43, DiMiTry wrote:
Guys and gals, all ye New Yorkers, you need to get out and experience a true DARK psy set. NOT Power Horror psy - talking about extreme psychedelic music. Try Zik or Fractal Cowboys, Derango, Jahbo, Kindzadza, Abnormal, Procs etc... Then you can talk about what psychedelic music really can be. none of this afternoon tea party ditties masquerading as psychedelia.
of course Penta, Onnomon, and Ocelot are truly amazing in their own right and their music is unique, but they are not the psychedelic extreme by any means. and how can you really know what's what and where if you don't know where the edge is?
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Agreed
Its really sad to see Naked Tourist and Horror Place and GOW(a few months ago)get gigs in the south but not make an appearance here. I wish NY promoters would book more of these artists.
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FaceHead
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 18:40
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ya i have to hand it to the NC people they dont fuck around...
but man at that tdc festival it was like as soon as the music kicked in it was punding my brain in and didnt stop for 18hours it was the darkest most driving stuff ive ever experienced the first night about 150 bpm and really fucking loud
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