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DID I DO THE RIGHT THING???
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 09:13
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the thing that pisses me of is non trance ppl think they no the meaning of life while trance ppl can do nothing right..i think that they are too fucking jealous...
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i don't think they were jealous when you said you liked trance. they were rather alarmed i guess. they probably know very little about psy trance just what greek tv stations told the big audience about samothraki when they were linking psy with satan worshiping and drug abuse. if you now think about the whole issue baring this in mind you might understand why they weren't so happy about it.
but: yes, you did the right thing. being true to yourself is one of the most important things in life imo.
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shamanizer
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 09:27
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On 2005-10-06 09:13, Outolintu wrote:
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the thing that pisses me of is non trance ppl think they no the meaning of life while trance ppl can do nothing right..i think that they are too fucking jealous...
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i don't think they were jealous when you said you liked trance. they were rather alarmed i guess. they probably know very little about psy trance just what greek tv stations told the big audience about samothraki when they were linking psy with satan worshiping and drug abuse. if you now think about the whole issue baring this in mind you might understand why they weren't so happy about it.
but: yes, you did the right thing. being true to yourself is one of the most important things in life imo.
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Bit off topic, but is it really true that authorities think that Psy trance is linked with Satans Worshipping? If so, its in the same time hilarious, sad and even dangerous. But then again, there are too many small minded people who are constantly alarmed by anything unordinary.
To the topic, you did the right thing, especially because you are in artistic school, which shoud encourage creativity in all its aspects and if they dont they can piss off. |
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 12:11
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Maybe they don't know, maybe they do know and think it is not music, maybe you should reconsider your views first. I see you like to demand things and make ppl accept you rather accepting them, as average psytrance listener. For most of musicians, psytrance (except Schpongle) will sound like collection of wierd sounds which make no sense together, without any musical degre as well.
Well, i see you quite stupid person too as some who replied you here, it's like i go to learn to dance Salsa or Tango and will jump around like mad cow on extacy (the dance you like so much).
Ppl will get me wierd because it doesn't fit the place. Again you want to be accepted, accept first. Classical drum school deals with orchestra drumming, OK ? You like Son Kite or Schpongle, go to Electronic music school to deal with it. |
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 12:17
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On 2005-10-05 14:37, industed wrote:
Lola lola,wot makes u think that athens is far back from civilization?!i didnt expect them to say something like that cum on.
wot made me mad is the obvious change towards me since i gave that answer.
and also i mentioned some composers such as steve reich,john cage...
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She meant YOU (personaly) far from reality not Athens far from civilization. Classical drumming school has nothing to do with Schpongle. Reality, wake up, burn this neu-psy elitist eyes so he can see and judge again. |
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shamanizer
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 12:28
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On 2005-10-06 12:11, Willy Wonka wrote:
Maybe they don't know, maybe they do know and think it is not music, maybe you should reconsider your views first. I see you like to demand things and make ppl accept you rather accepting them, as average psytrance listener. For most of musicians, psytrance (except Schpongle) will sound like collection of wierd sounds which make no sense together, without any musical degre as well.
Well, i see you quite stupid person too as some who replied you here, it's like i go to learn to dance Salsa or Tango and will jump around like mad cow on extacy (the dance you like so much).
Ppl will get me wierd because it doesn't fit the place. Again you want to be accepted, accept first. Classical drum school deals with orchestra drumming, OK ? You like Son Kite or Schpongle, go to Electronic music school to deal with it.
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You are pretty much right with these views. To be accepted starts with accepting, but in this case its rather doubtful that someone who doesn't accept classical percussion education would go to study it. However, I don't quite understand why someone who likes psy shouldn't go to classical drum school. It doesn't mean that you start doing some trance drum beats in the middle of lectures.
One more thing, some classical modern music (does this sound controversial, well I'm not an expert) sounds like twelwe monkeys on acid would have been given instruments and at least some classical music education centres do offer also modern music lectures. If they accept that and even consider that it is very posh to listen to modern music I don't see why they couldn't accept psy or some other electronic music genres.
In the end this question is about liberality towards issues that one cannot relate with. |
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 16:42
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Shaman i wasn't talking about that, i meant why to bother to show your views in place which has nothing to do with your views. To call them ignorant afterwards ?
You like whatever you want, you accept whatever fits you, but it doesn't mean you can make others accept it moreover in place which is the opposite of your views.
I think it was Schizoeffective album of The Delta when track named Thing contained classical percussion, i don't know if it was cutted sample or article about Marcuses classical music love is true but it is classical percussion used in techno trance wise way. So it can be used eventhou 95% of psytrance producers are not aware of percussion at all since it dance music and have simple layouts and producers are not that good.
I can follow debate of classical vs. psytrance when it won't lead to nothing because most of psytrance crowd never heard any of what i would speak of and they use Bach or Wagner names to show their intelligence as someone mentioned here. For me as musician most of classical masterpieces are too high to realize how they done at all, while in psytrance i don't see any logic even as "cool sample" collection. I speak of 95% of two genres, of course there are chillout and some psytrance which fits my own definition of music but again it's very low in numbers compared to classic. Objective view, i don't listen to both as "main lovely" music (Metal and Dance|House are more common).
Someone will say now, you are fucking elitist, why do you think you know what is psytrance and how you can define what is that. Simple, i listen to that music long enough and i disagree with masses since masses are cows leaded by stupid and elitist slogans. Even psytrance have it now. Just see how predictable the responces to my words will be. |
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Run Lola
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 18:14
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On 2005-10-06 16:42, Willy Wonka wrote:
Someone will say now, you are fucking elitist, why do you think you know what is psytrance and how you can define what is that. Simple, i listen to that music long enough and i disagree with masses since masses are cows leaded by stupid and elitist slogans. Even psytrance have it now. Just see how predictable the responces to my words will be.
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you are a fuking elitist
kidding |
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shamanizer
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Posted : Oct 7, 2005 07:43
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Willy: Good points mate, I wish to see more educated musicians making Psy and not just people with enough knowledge of computers etc. who suddenly decide to start making music from the scratch. That would certainly raise the quality of Psy music. I also wish to hear more real tunes and melodies in Psy and not just simple base line topped with senseles sound world.
However, I'm not judging any artists even if they wouldn't have any musical background, free will again and if the sound is good, its good even if it was created by twelwe monkeys on acid. |
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orange
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Posted : Oct 7, 2005 14:12
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you should sey something like 'billy cobham'
they would sey 'oohhh thats it bravo!!'
but theyr mind would not think that is psy to but not electronic one they would sey thats music!!
dont care so much especialy the thing you are stadying about what your teacher sais only think that realy matter is how good drummer you are
specialy greek musicians out of electrnic genres know jack shit about trance and psy theyr opinion is that aint music its computer
when i went to study music technology my teacher made productions for bouzouki music how the hell can he understand my thoughts about music iff he doesnt know what trance is???
he whas full bla bla and no juice l learned the fundamentals and then splitt made a studio of my own and never loocked back since then
people with no electronic music knoweledge cant teach the future they can show you the fundamentals of production but they cant see the light in the tunnel its something you see only and its up to you to cross the tunnel!!
dont mind theyr words follow your ideas
orange
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Oct 7, 2005 15:12
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Common you mess hearing music with dance music, which are totaly different. The only music in electronic are chillout/downtempo and IDM, rest are supposed for dance so it won't have a huge variety of notes and sequences. Psytrance is just about speed, even groove/move element of it missing in real life. Just high speed music as some techno and trance.
Is psytrance is the light at the end of the tunnel? I think it is quite closed minded opinion related with your own personal taste. Psytrance isn't future, it is past! Noone tach it in classical music schools because classical music schools deal with classic music there are bunch of electronic music school who dealt directly with styles you speaking about. |
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industed
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Posted : Oct 9, 2005 17:44
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oh ppl u r not open minded if u consider someone that likes trance sudnt like any other kind of music..
heard of xenakis?hes a really famous composer and he is trance..y u all relate trance with only electronical sounds???
nature is trance also,sex is trance also,trance is trance too...
and i can assure u that having classical education helps a lot in a way to understand everything in music.a classical orcestra can be tha synths,the conductor can be the mixer and the play the production its self and im not talking about bethoven or bach..i dnt like these stuff too.im talking about john cage,steve reich,xenakis,katamura and others...these guys are crazy composing trance wit natural sounds and performers...
and an example,have u ever read son kites' biography???
and of course im accepting to be accepted.
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Oct 9, 2005 21:32
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prolly the artistes who r producing rite now might have been passed off at some stage or the other...
believe in your music..its ok ..if ya passionate about it
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andonis
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Posted : Oct 9, 2005 22:32
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Hey Willy have you heard about punk music? It is good to go to a music school in order to make music but if you're making it eitherways it's up to the listener to accept it as music or not. So you can go on studying and let us enjoy trance music the way we do. To the point, I think there is no serious one. Ok, the professors were stumbled what a big surprise would never have expected it and so on.
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ucc
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Posted : Oct 9, 2005 23:44
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industed, maybe Skazi's on to open a skazi killarghhhh how to psy trance... but than you'll sound like skazi if you're not open minded enough ;p |
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Saylum
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Posted : Oct 9, 2005 23:56
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I think you made the right choise. Be proud of who you are, you dont need to hide it from people! If someone would ask you "Where are you from?", you would probably answer "I'm from Greece", so if someone asks you "Who are your favorite artists?" you should tell him your favorite artists! Both of them are facts, you dont need to show them that you are what they are expecting to see, you just need to be yourself. Good luck! =)
Peace & Love!
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