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Jeff
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 12:09
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On 2004-09-10 11:22, psytones wrote:
Most of us need psychedelic drug experiences to understand what is psychedelic music or not. I dont mean to offend people. *peace*
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The endless you-need-to-be-on-drug-to-understand-this-music debate...
For me, the greatest achievement of [good] Psy-Trance tracks PRECISELY lies in the fact that it can induce psychedelic visions (i.e. perceiving sounds as colors etc) in the mind of someone who is NOT under drug influence.
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Outolintu
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 12:46
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this is so odd... i read all the replies
(quickly) and everybody is talking just
about goa or psy trance. the question was "what is psychedelic?" so if this music
is only psychedelic to you then i find it
a bit disturbing  . i think psychedelia is
a state of mind which you can achieve with
psycho active drugs, meditation, not eating,
not sleeping etc etc. after you are in this state of mind everything is more or less psychedelic  . the cracks in the wall,
yellow leaves on the ground, german schlager... you name it. once you are familiar with the feeling/state of mind you don't need to to get high or what ever to
achieve the psychedelic feeling. you remember how it feels like and you concentrate and whoop! you start to think,
feel, and see a bit different (ofcourse you
don't get the fractal and liquid visuals etc. ,atleast i don't, but the feeling is there). beautiful or odd surroundings or
sensations can also launch the feeling, then i feel like a child again (or on mushrooms, same thing )... so psychdelia is a state of mind first of all to me which allows me to experience different things in a new and often more understanding and respecting way. offtopic? silly? you be the judge ... |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 13:33
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For me psychedelic is when you get association that extend beyond the sound.
Very difficult to put the finger on exactly, but certain sounds, or combinations of sounds, can make you imagine forms, environments or even smells.
Something that is just distorted, twisted or fucked up is maybe crazy and wierd, but not neccesarily psychedelic.
It's like classifying datura and similar drugs as psychedelics. They are only hallucinatory.
You have to get associations, and be aware that you are hallucinating for a substance to be properly psychedelic. |
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IndiAlien
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 13:45
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i think psychedelia is
a state of mind which you can achieve with
psycho active drugs, meditation, not eating,
not sleeping etc etc. after you are in this state of mind everything is more or less psychedelic . the cracks in the wall,
yellow leaves on the ground, german schlager... you name it. once you are familiar with the feeling/state of mind you don't need to to get high or what ever to
achieve the psychedelic feeling.
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Getting high is just one of the possible Keys to this psychedelic world; others include those mentioned above.... I agree with the point made- that once ur familiar with this state of being, u don't need to take/do anything to achieve it..... cept focus ur mind.
I DON'T think u have to have used drugs to 'understand'/appreciate this music.... all u really need is an open mind, and open ears.... once u approach the music like this, u find ur own place(s) in it.
Psychedelic Life is:
'...a meditation on what is human nature'
-T. McKenna
peace<3 & <3peace
q(@ _ @)p
ps- Haltya music to me.... is REALLY Psychedelic  there is a light that
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Pointy
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 13:58
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On 2004-09-10 12:09, Jeff wrote:
For me, the greatest achievement of [good] Psy-Trance tracks PRECISELY lies in the fact that it can induce psychedelic visions (i.e. perceiving sounds as colors etc) in the mind of someone who is NOT under drug influence.
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That's very right Jeff and I think psytones would also agree with that.
The question is more, if you can make psychedelic music without having psychedelic experiences. And to that I would answer with 'no'.
We all know, that psychedelica are not the only way to make such experiences, but for the western mind it is an easy accesable way.
Once you got some psychedelic experience, you don't need to depend on substances as a tool. Once you know the way to go, you can reach without a guide.
To try and make psychedelic music, without psychedelic experiences, is like writing a lovesong without ever been in love.
It just won't sound authentic.
ps: @Ouotolintu: not silly at all, but MikeA was asking "What does it mean in the trance context?".
BomBom 
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manu
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 13:58
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On 2004-09-09 18:13, Insomniac wrote:
I'm getting your point Mike, IMO opinion music is less psychedelic now a days because artists are not using the sounds and melodies they used back in the goa days.
Now the vibe is the E chewing kids who only like violent music..
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Ya exactly.. what i had written in so many topics.. but same old saying 'accept the changes' ..thats fine.. but then change the name from psychedelic trance to something else trance.
Even DJs dont play stories and its just like playing the new collection of music..
Artists are welcomed more than the DJs and nobody seem to understand the diference between djs and artists..
where is the music which takes u to that state ?? no psychedelic sounds.. background waves that give u the trip.. the melody which alter the state of ur mind.. its all gone..
by 'hardcore' ppl seem to understand hard strong or rather fnnny evil beats !! for me hardcore also means quality psychedelic music which takes u inside it..
ppl love evil stuf in the night and dance or funny music in the morning.. thats all it is.. and will also bitch about the music if they dont get to dance to it or it doesnt sound evil.. progressive psychedelic is considered boring.
hehe i have forgotten the meaning of psychedelic
but thankyou sirius isness. |
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IndiAlien
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 14:17
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has anyone gone to the link i posted????
http://www.hofmann.org/voices/aussie.html
check it pls....... its a long read, but it will help u remember the old ways........ the way this is meant to be.
love life & dream on dreamers !
q(@ _ @)p
there is a light that
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spliffnik
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 14:38
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a great Baba once told me so simply what Psychedelic means.... psyche = mind, delic = delicious. Hence the meaning of the term psychedelic is something that is delicious to the mind. Simple but accurate, no? Applies both to the music and to life in general... but I wont even get into why many observe the decline of this quality in the trance music produced today....dont have time for that now
have a nice day,
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 16:29
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Yes, nice text, it has some interesting points of view!!
"Western communities are very happy to challenge and stretch themselves physically - in fact, this is considered a very healthy and acceptable activity - but investigating the depths of the mind in a similarly extreme way can be considered illegal, if not heretical."
This is so true, and so unfair!!!
"you then need to find the gatherings where most of the people there are using psychedelics (and I'm not including ecstasy here) with the intent to explore this very illuminating method of trance magick. It's this exchange of collective "high" energy which may prove to be outstandingly potent in the manifestation of the "group mind"."
Yes, this leads me to a question i wanted to ask: don't you think that the introduction of MDMA into the trance circuit has somehow changed the hole scenne, including the music!? I mean, i go to trance partys since 2001 (not long time ago), and i get the impression that in the so called "good old days" the partys had nothing to do with what they are now!! And i'm talking about behaviour!! Somehow i think that when the main psychadelic drug in trance partys was LSD, has the text refer, people had the change to live a real psychadelic experience, while when your on MDMA (and i have done MD a lot of times, because before trance, i used to go to tecnho/house partys), people just feel good, with themselves and the others, a really nice good mood shared by everyone, but NOT psychadelic!! At least, not the same way like LSD!!
Al so i think that this substance has influenced trance music production and future directions of it.... todays music is mainly directed to the body, no doubt about it, and maybe MDMA has something to do with it!!..
ps - just an example.... i never thought that BOOM would have that kind of progressive trance during almost the hole festival... not that i dislike it, but i wasn't expecting that... sometimes i said to a friend who was with me:"man, this looks like progressive house music (Digweed,Sacha,Nick Warren),not trance"!!
I'm not shure, but i really think that MDMA is the main suspect fot this changes....
peace...
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epsilon_iridani
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 16:51
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define psychedelic?
psyche - mind
delic - light
= light of the mind
or
= mind light (nice name for a track eh?)
<<(bom)>>
It is by will alone I set my mind in
motion.
It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts
acquire speed -
The lips acquire stains -
The stains become a warning - blah, blah , blah! |
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Pointy
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 18:33
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Psilocibino
... todays music is mainly directed to the body, no doubt about it, and maybe MDMA has something to do with it!!..
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I think it definetly has. Simply because of the way it effects you (like already described here by others).
Another reason imo is coke, another substance which got more and more popular in the trance scene.
That's even worse, cause it not only keeps you stuck in your body, but closes your heart-chakra as well.
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IndiAlien
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 18:48
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Coke is for people who have too much money and too little brains..... there's  psychedelic about it...... imo.
E.... makes u have the time of ur life..... but u don't really learn anything...... imo people who continue to use it after their 'honeymoon' are just plain morons. 
Ecstasy = Morom x (Crap x Chemical) .......... 
Then again.... we r all entitled to our vices..... or so we think. 
Love Sounds.... DANCE !
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psionic nomad
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 20:08
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mind manifesting.........
distortions of perceptions....
mystical states.....
hallucinations.............
alters state of awareness..............
but more often on the mental states,i would reckon that
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thegooddale
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 21:08
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assuming that the "violent" music you refer to is the dark and heavy trance that is coming out today by artists such as Azax Syndrome, Seroxat, Toxic, Jelly Headz, GOW, Naked Tourist, etc... Then, I would say that musically things are better and more psychedelic than ever... I think that this heavier form of trance does much more within a track and takes you much further than that of the old goa sound... I think although this sound maybe alot more minimal and technical, it doesn't rely and accent on such cliche melodies. It tends to function more around the bassline and the melodies that do come about are scratchier and perhaps a bit more abrasive. I think this may be why people call it less psychedelic, perhaps because of it's abrasive quality. I think that this quality makes it all that much more psychedelic.
To me, the "mainstream" psy stuff relys more on melody and is alot easier to take in upon first listen. It seems to make people move more, but I don't think this makes it more psychedelic. To me it seems alot more contrived than the heavy stuff.
I guess it just boils down to personal taste and some people like very heavy music while others like lighter styles... |
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volvox box
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Posted : Sep 11, 2004 04:31
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psyche delic is : WENG WENG WIU DANG |
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