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Deep mixing without sounding "crowded"

Shiranui
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 15:27:14
I like to mix tracks very deep (for 64 bars or so), but, especially with night music, I find that this results in a "crowded" or "busy" sound, because the lead noise from both tracks layers on each other.

Is it effective to use EQ or volume to resolve this, or should I just loop the non-crowded parts over each other?
Ascension
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 20:46
It's all subjective to the tracks you're playing. If you can eq out clashing freqs I'd say do that. I generally have good success when doing this with long mixes/beat juggling.           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Psynthex
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Posted : Jan 20, 2010 01:03
Now you all are making science out of it!

My transmissions sometimes are 2 minutes long. I play 2 tracks together for that long and if you know how to control the equalizer there is no so called "crowd" or "sound clash" in the mix! you do it slowly, with touch.. mixer is your gf at that time..use it and control it gently! No need to be agressive at all!

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Ruffon


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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 08:24
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On 2010-01-20 01:03, Psynthex wrote:
Now you all are making science out of it!

My transmissions sometimes are 2 minutes long. I play 2 tracks together for that long and if you know how to control the equalizer there is no so called "crowd" or "sound clash" in the mix! you do it slowly, with touch.. mixer is your gf at that time..use it and control it gently! No need to be agressive at all!

cheers





+1
Ascension
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 23:00
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On 2010-01-20 01:03, Psynthex wrote:
Now you all are making science out of it!

My transmissions sometimes are 2 minutes long. I play 2 tracks together for that long and if you know how to control the equalizer there is no so called "crowd" or "sound clash" in the mix! you do it slowly, with touch.. mixer is your gf at that time..use it and control it gently! No need to be agressive at all!

cheers




Aggressive mixes with dark psy are sooooooo fun           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Psynthex
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Posted : Jan 23, 2010 02:14
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On 2010-01-21 23:00, Ascension wrote:
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On 2010-01-20 01:03, Psynthex wrote:
Now you all are making science out of it!

My transmissions sometimes are 2 minutes long. I play 2 tracks together for that long and if you know how to control the equalizer there is no so called "crowd" or "sound clash" in the mix! you do it slowly, with touch.. mixer is your gf at that time..use it and control it gently! No need to be agressive at all!

cheers




Aggressive mixes with dark psy are sooooooo fun






And its fabiouluse when you see 15year old girls jumping infront of you, while playing agressively right?

For me its better when i touch my mixer 1000 times, just to achive the perfection of the sound at every moment possible But thats just me But hey... i dont blame your doing ) keep on           Psynthex [ Vertikal Records ]
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Cosmic Tandav
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Posted : Jan 25, 2010 13:24
i bring in a track at the first break after there is around 1 min 45 secs left of the last track .I allow the track to play for another 32 beats after this and the bring in the track immediately or slowly depending on the elements of the track..i ve noticed this 1 min 45 secs really works for me most of the time as elements of the last track are clearing away and the elements in the new track are just appearing ..this makes the mix sound smoother.. ive noticed that mostly night music mixed any time before 1 min 45 secs sound ver y crowded and the audience can get confused or dance flow/trip flow gets broken.

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Ascension
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Posted : Jan 25, 2010 17:18
Talking about mixing styles is completely worthless imo. Mix the right way for the tracks you are mixing. If you know what you're doing you can make any type of mix sound good.           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Psynthex
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Posted : Jan 25, 2010 23:48
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On 2010-01-25 13:24, Cosmic Tandav wrote:
i bring in a track at the first break after there is around 1 min 45 secs left of the last track .I allow the track to play for another 32 beats after this and the bring in the track immediately or slowly depending on the elements of the track..i ve noticed this 1 min 45 secs really works for me most of the time as elements of the last track are clearing away and the elements in the new track are just appearing ..this makes the mix sound smoother.. ive noticed that mostly night music mixed any time before 1 min 45 secs sound ver y crowded and the audience can get confused or dance flow/trip flow gets broken.

hey but this is just my two cents..




you guys are talking in minutes, seconds... again people who really doesent know what that even means.. its all math! 16/32/64/128/256 ... breakpoints...

There is no crowd as you ahve said 1:45 till the end.. the track has just passed the last a bit bigger pause.. so its going down / calming... and than the last pause is somewhere 32 bars till the end... so something like 1 minute till the end.. but its a short one.. just to loose some big elements of the track. The track is so called crowded 3, 4 minutes in the middle.. before the big pause..and after the big pause... if you mix correctly, with no so much agressive touch..you can do a brilliant mix with flowing sounds / mixture of sounds between tracks! If you are a good DJ, you can handle that..if not..you are just nothing less than a normaln DJ with beatmatching skills!

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Kitnam
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Posted : Jan 27, 2010 21:56
hi, from my opinion its a very good question.
realy good killer-tracks are sometimes bad tools and bad tracks are sometimes killer tools. I prefer the tools exactly for that reason.
elastic_plastic
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Posted : Jan 28, 2010 00:40
eq is ur best friend..... practice.... noe ur music well and u can do wonders....

if u noe ur music well.... u will noe what to mix where... its all in the head bro!!!

and for crowded sound.... handle the mids well.... coz thts where all that noise is comin from ... on my personal opinion i rarely try mixing two leads together unless one fades out.... but again its a personal choice!!!

or
u could loop the track ur bringin in.... wait till the flow of the previous falls (the so called noise fades out) .....

or

u got so many fx.... phaser... crusher...roll.... filter... etc.... use dem if needed... does the trick for me if i ever struggle to make a mix... hehe

or

u could also try mixing in keys.... also noen as harmonic mixing.... lots of ppl around use this technique.... but for me it jus limits ur abilites to be more creative... but again its ur call... and if ur lookin for somethin tht could determine the right key den i would say go for virutal dj pro 6... it detects the keys to perfection

hope it helps
MorNinG MaGiC


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Posted : Jan 28, 2010 06:05
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On 2010-01-28 00:40, elastic_plastic wrote:

if u noe ur music well.... u will noe what to mix where... its all in the head bro!!!



+1 ..!
Dogon
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Posted : Jan 28, 2010 21:16
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On 2010-01-28 06:05, MorNinG MaGiC wrote:
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On 2010-01-28 00:40, elastic_plastic wrote:

if u noe ur music well.... u will noe what to mix where... its all in the head bro!!!



+1 ..!




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Psynthex
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Posted : Jan 28, 2010 21:49
Defiently not true! A case with 150CDs / at least 1000 tracks on.. now tell me for example: You go on a party.. usually you play dark, night full on... but hey, because of a strange circumstances an organiser tells you to play in the morning at 7am.. and of course.. they would like that you do a bit full onish. And every normal, proffesional DJ is having at least 1/3 of his case of other psy trance music, beside his dark side ( so progressive or full on..or maybe even both). And of course.. you dont know the tracks really... maybe just a bit, cause you have played them 2, 3 times max...

This is defiently not a solution!

Cheers
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Ascension
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Posted : Jan 29, 2010 16:43
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On 2010-01-28 21:49, Psynthex wrote:
Defiently not true! A case with 150CDs / at least 1000 tracks on.. now tell me for example: You go on a party.. usually you play dark, night full on... but hey, because of a strange circumstances an organiser tells you to play in the morning at 7am.. and of course.. they would like that you do a bit full onish. And every normal, proffesional DJ is having at least 1/3 of his case of other psy trance music, beside his dark side ( so progressive or full on..or maybe even both). And of course.. you dont know the tracks really... maybe just a bit, cause you have played them 2, 3 times max...

This is defiently not a solution!

Cheers




I disagree and do so because I've done exactly what you're talking about. I've gone to parties where I'm not even on the lineup and I end up playing and people like the sets.           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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