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Dark sauce... must be proven & verified!
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Ozone
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Posted : Dec 3, 2004 07:32
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hi ppl i dont write here much but on this issue i read and see that no one has mentioned SANDMAN.... he used to play in heavy metal band i think.... anyways his first release was in 1995 and he was one of first psy artists along with Xenomorph to use horror and satanic themes in his music along with those evil minor scales with flattened fiths. I wouldnt say todays artists copy him but the seeds have to be sown somewhere.
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dj nadav
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Posted : Dec 3, 2004 14:57
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On 2004-12-03 07:32, Ozone wrote:
hi ppl i dont write here much but on this issue i read and see that no one has mentioned SANDMAN.... he used to play in heavy metal band i think.... anyways his first release was in 1995 and he was one of first psy artists along with Xenomorph to use horror and satanic themes in his music along with those evil minor scales with flattened fiths. I wouldnt say todays artists copy him but the seeds have to be sown somewhere.
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yeah his used to be in the heavy metal group
"Oraphand Land". i know he also worked with Rami Shapira aka Chakra under the name of Witchcraft. they were singend in the label "headroom" a part of the israeli label hed arzi. but after a short time the label collapsed and so did the witchcraft with it.
after it the two members stated their solo carrers. sandman released i think 2 or three albums, and chakra released the amazing masterpiece "The Promissed Land" in collaberation with Eddie Mis.
i dont think sandman had a career of dark psy, but if he did have, i'm sure it will be very interesting to hear some of his music. |
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Flake_of_Freedom
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Posted : Dec 5, 2004 01:06
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Doof was indid the first to bring the dark elements to Israel...
But from were they took the idea??
Shahar?! Nick?! whana answer? (I think them in this forum… if not correct me please…)
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CyborG
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 07:55
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dark sauce + dark energy + dark waves ... keep like that and i stay forever,,, big LOL
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Jeff
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 10:53
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Interesting discussion.
I'm newbie to this "dark style" stuff. And I'm not sure what you mean by "dark".
For me the quintessential dark track is "The Delta - Thing".
I know Droidsect, Parasence and Xenomorph a bit though. They indeed use "scary" sounds or scary samples, but at the end of the day their tracks show "classic" (read : Full-on or Prog) Psy Trance structures or melodies, whereas Thing is something from another planet. That's why it's hard for me to see them forming a genre of their own.
But as I already said I just know a few artists you mentioned, so I may be wrong.
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GhregOnEarth
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 13:00
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On 2004-12-01 23:09, thegooddale wrote:
Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden
Metallica
Bathory
Napalm Death
these are all metal groups and I would be willing to bet that at least half of the dark producers out there were heavily influenced by at least one of these pioneers musically...
as far as the industrial groups go, I think they just spawned off of these monumental metal acts.
a little off topic, but do many psytrancers listen to the new black metal sound I wonder... I know the Russian producers have to at least be aware of this genre with it being so dominant in Russia...
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VoiVod were always my favorite metal artists....them and prong.....listened to a lot of Black Sabbath of course a lot of San Francisco metal like Death Angel and Testament (sometimes I think of san francisco trance being like the san francisco metal scene of the 80s).
In regards to Industrial musics roots this gets a bit more convuluted. I had a friend who did his masters thesis on the roots of industrial music. (Really it goes all the way back to the French dadaist movement in terms of recorded work from the 1920s)
But for the purest, Industrial Music lived and died with Throbbing Gristle in the 70s. It was actually Boyd Rice who coined the term I believe....and Genesis and the gang picked up on it as the name of their first record label (of course getting into the apocryphal history of Throbbing Ghristle is a bit much for this space but there are some very real ties to Goa here as Genesis travelled to India and was exposed to the beginnings of the Goa Trance explosion there).
Of course, one would think with Al Jourgensen swinging around the guitar like he does these days that industrials roots were just the results of heavy binges of Sabbath and early metal (or at least some sort of symptomatic affection for Texas)....but actually most of these industrial bands roots are in synthpop. Skinny Puppy and Ministry both have very synthpoppy early albums and it was the anti pop synth work of DAF of Cabaret Voltaire that influenced what we know as Industrial Music today more so than the spontaneous burst of noise that spawned the term.
Also there is this big time dub influence all over early Industrial because of Adrian Sherwood and the On - U Sound guys .....this was actually the Sugar Hill Gang (famous early hip hop artist).
Of course Adrian worked with Bill Laswell somewhere along the way and Bill Laswell produced one of the White Zombie albums and we come full circle to metal again.....
As a wise man told me once "Everything is 6 degrees to Bill Laswell" 
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Jeff
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 14:19
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On 2004-12-08 13:00, GhregOnEarth wrote:
I had a friend who did his masters thesis on the roots of industrial music.
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Any chance it is online somewhere ? Sounds quite interesting.
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mubali
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Posted : Dec 9, 2004 02:44
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Dude... There's the missing connection between trance and hip hop.... That explains it all.... Thanks Ghreg!
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rich
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Posted : Dec 9, 2004 02:50
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damn, Ghreg I can't believe you mentioned Voivod!! Their first couple albums are still smoledring in my brain!
Totally agree with you regarding the SF psytrance style comparative to the SF metal of the early 80s. But I still think Florida had the most brutal death metal in the US back then. what happened?!
Getting back to the original question of this thread, I don't know which artist could be pinned as defining the genre for psytrance in the same way Black Sabbath defined a new sound/vibe for rock music. |
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