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Dali - Hectic (HomMega)

*neon nymph*
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 4, 2006 12:51
Since this thread is way past only-reviews control , here's my two paisa:

I think that essentially, people want to not HAVE TO be diplomatic about everything. I haven't heard this album, and nor does it seem likely that I will, but if it makes its audience feel like their intelligence/ taste is being insulted as much as I am led to believe, I guess they just want to be able to say it without the sugar-coating.

Also, as this forum is considered by many like the world news channel for trance, they expect the truth, and nothing but. To-the-point, and starkly so. Review, discuss, debate, argue, have differences of opinion. It's excellent.

HOWEVER, maybe plain disrespect and discouragement is unnecessary. Which is why countries have laws, and institutions have rules (and the forum has guidelines). Let your freedom not overstep anothers. Let your freedom of speech/ expression, not infringe upon another's freedom to create.

And create we MUST!
          I can only please one person per day. Today's not your day. Tomorrrow isn't looking good either.
Ben-G


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Posted : Jun 4, 2006 15:23
I think some people over-reacted with their posts in this topic but still, in the 'cd reviews' section its only fair to let people say whats on their mind, as long as its aimed at the music itself and everything that surrounds the cd (cover, PR, the label itself etc.). some of the things said about dali shouldn't have been said.
in the 'promotional releases' section you can see some much more moderated responses and maybe thats where they belong.
Big appreciation to yuli, he said whats on his mind without being politicly correct like other people/artists in this forum and he did it without insulting the artist.
!Ce M@n
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  857
Posted : Jun 4, 2006 17:45
this album rox !!
Pronto Dali !!
keep rocking the world wid this killaaa stuff !!           0x00000PSy
LigaLize
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jun 4, 2006 18:59
am not liked that album...pop-psy not for me           Dance is - As a matter of fact, socially admissible public analogue of the sexual act :)
http://www.myspace.com/djligalize
mquirk1
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  384
Posted : Jun 4, 2006 19:07
Noooo, I came to psytrance to *escape* the supersaw, damn it
NikC
BeatNik

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Posted : Jun 5, 2006 13:42
Not going to insult Dali personally... But this album was even worse than I expected (and I expected something bad)

It's some of the most minimally structured trance I've ever heard... Almost every track is in the same key, and the bassline patterns are practically all the same...
The percussion is also all the same (and not exactly filled with texture) and the percussion sounds are apalling, sounding like it's come straight off a basic drum synth with no extra processing whatsoever...
Which means that the tracks all sound the same!

The synths, sound design, choice of sounds etc. are appalling... there is nothing fresh at all, and nothing which sounds skillful (apart from the mastering heh).
It all sounds extremely basic... Like sounds that could be made on my old Casio keyboard.

Even the music isn't interesting... it doesn't all need to be about psychedelic sounds... but at least make interesting chord progressions or interesting melodies - but it's all the same!

I also feel that her voice could at least have done with a little bit more Autotune, or Melodyne Studio (but at least it's sounding better than the horrendously out of tune Colors Band)

Also is it just me but at 3:10 in "Into Madness"... is the vocal sample saying "suck c*ck"?


Also to say, that I am 100% sure that if any of the producers who I know had sent any of these tracks off as a Demo to any label... they wouldn't even have been considered for release...

My 2p
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Suspekt
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jun 5, 2006 16:15
Quote:

On 2006-06-01 16:58, Si B wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-06-01 15:19, Timetwister wrote:
this is an utter disgrace. Listening to this junk, I almost feel ashamed to say my passion lies with psy music. Dali, go run a household, go to school, join the army, whatever. As long as you stay far away from any equipment with which you can produce!



maybe a bit harsh....

she can write as much music as she wants as long as she doesn't try and sell it to me or play it at parties i go to.

it belongs in the ministry of sound, not on the 'israeli psychedelic trance experience' or anywhere else that claims to be psychedelic or even just not shallow.







kinda like future prophesy's latest effort.           Open Records, Australia

www.open-records.net
Suspekt
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jun 5, 2006 16:18
Quote:

On 2006-06-04 12:51, *neon nymph* wrote:
Since this thread is way past only-reviews control , here's my two paisa:

I think that essentially, people want to not HAVE TO be diplomatic about everything. I haven't heard this album, and nor does it seem likely that I will, but if it makes its audience feel like their intelligence/ taste is being insulted as much as I am led to believe, I guess they just want to be able to say it without the sugar-coating.

Also, as this forum is considered by many like the world news channel for trance, they expect the truth, and nothing but. To-the-point, and starkly so. Review, discuss, debate, argue, have differences of opinion. It's excellent.

HOWEVER, plain disrespect and discouragement is unnecessary. Which is why countries have laws, and institutions have rules (and the forum has guidelines). Let your freedom not overstep anothers. Let your freedom of speech/ expression, not infringe upon another's freedom to create.

And create we MUST!




a review implies opinion- some peoples are more colourful than others. i think if someone thinks its painfully bad- hes entitled to say so. anything else is not really a review- its more like an ass-kiss.           Open Records, Australia

www.open-records.net
Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jun 5, 2006 19:02
Quote:

On 2006-06-01 09:29, psyreviews wrote:
from http://tinyurl.com/lpc3h

Shit cover, shit album. But you knew that already. Dali may be the only person since Alien Project to stick their arse on the cover of one of their CD’s but she still looks like a duck. And yes I made that bit up about Alien Project’s arse. The assembled masses of People With Taste (that’s you lot) would probably sooner be confronted with the back end of Ari Linker than listen to this anyway.

Hectic is probably the best argument in favour of illegal file-sharing networks I have ever come across. It is your duty to steal this, and it is my duty to incite you to steal it.

The music is largely very substandard isra-eurotrance fodder, with the additional cancerous bonus of Dali’s singing. Her voice isn’t bad: Follow The Signs is tight in a Morcheeba sort of way, even if the melody is more or less nicked off Seal’s Crazy. Other tracks on the album see her habitually singing beyond her range, and not making a great deal of sense as she does so. Her three singing voices are one that sounds a bit like Kate Bush, one that sounds a bit like Beth Gibbons, and one that sounds a bit like Michele Adamson.

Keeping all this in mind, how about some background. Quoted in last month’s Mushroom Magazine, in the bit about women in trance, Dali patronises “Girls want security, something that they can continue with for the rest of their lives, where they can have a baby with a relaxed mind,” thus negating decades of women’s liberation and dispelling the myth that this is a scene that empowers strong, independent women.

In this illuminating interview ( http://tinyurl.com/pvvpu ) from a couple of months ago, she comes across as a bimbo: she wants to be a professional surfer, her role model is Madonna and her advice to other women in the scene is “Don’t think too much, just do it.” Lyrically she lapses into weak cliché (“I need someone to hold me tight”) and seems to like fitting into this mode of a wide-eyed industry chick, rabbit in the headlights style: “who am I and where are you, please tell me what to do.”

With little lyrical substance, you might hope that strong music might give this album vital life support. Of course, it doesn’t. For the most part, Dali’s music is exquisitely shit, although it really reaches its faecal zenith in the tracks with Silent Hill, who are the real villains here. There are grotesque guitars, over-the-top high end pads and arpeggios a six-year-old might write. I’m not even going to analyse this one track by track: it’s pointless.

Hectic is more than an album. It’s a signpost of where we are and where we’re going. We have reached the point where a woman of average attractiveness, who sings below-average lyrics in a below-average manner, can sit at a mixing desk and produce something as tackily disposable as this; and it gets picked up and hyped to death by the biggest label on the planet. The real travesty in all this is how much it will sell.

Utterly dreadful as an album, utterly fascinating as a cultural phenomenon.



No score (which is different from zero).




1. Follow the signs
2. Feel my body
3. Into madness
4. My way
5. Hectic
6. Smack snack
7. Connect to the source
8. Tripop
9. Dont you see
10. Get your emotion


------

http://www.psyreviews.com




Respect Damion, Killer review...absolutely Spot on!!!
          My fake plants died, because I did not pretend to water them.
Jeller
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 5, 2006 20:39
these comments say enough about the album lol

no need to check out this one
spacetec


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Posted : Jun 5, 2006 23:02
Quote:

On 2006-06-01 15:19, Timetwister wrote:
Dali, go run a household, go to school, join the army, whatever. As long as you stay far away from any equipment with which you can produce!

So rude. By the way don't forget people that it's really hard for us, girls, makin the music and master it. more hard!! Very hard!! So if u think that single female artists need "to join army or been housekeeping" (i m' not meaning that girls wich demonstrate naked body parts or sell the sex for releases ) so the female trance scene will be consist of only well-PRed girls and sex bombs)) Let's give Dali a little respect for only that fact is she investmentes small part of her art in psyculture.
Timetwister


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Posted : Jun 5, 2006 23:42
Yes, it was a rude comment. I concur, and I might have worded it more eloquently.

BUT

If you have nothing substantial to bring to the table, don't come bringing out a cd that's barely usable as a coaster. I don't care if she's a girl, guy, hermaphrodite, camel, whale or whatever other lifeform. Just because she's a girl, I should take pity and pretend to like her music? I don't care of she has a pretty face or a killer ass. If the music sucks, it wasn't worth the effort. And I find it a damn shame that she has wasted not only my time, but hers as well. I'm sure all the intentions are right, and she's a nice person and all, but that won't make the music any better.

And ehm....the female trance scene? Why does there have to be a female trance scene? It's a mixed scene right? Where did all that PLUR stuff go? If I'm not mistaken the U stands for unity? Now I'm not really someone who believes in the PLUR philosophy, though it's admirable, but this scene for me has always embodied a scene where people are judged for their personality, and not gender, race or other superficial stuff. And now you, as a woman, try to polarize the scene? Hmmm, think I'm missing where that makes any sense.
Acidhive
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jun 6, 2006 00:16
Quote:

On 2006-06-05 23:42, Timetwister wrote:
Yes, it was a rude comment. I concur, and I might have worded it more eloquently.

BUT

If you have nothing substantial to bring to the table, don't come bringing out a cd that's barely usable as a coaster. I don't care if she's a girl, guy, hermaphrodite, camel, whale or whatever other lifeform. Just because she's a girl, I should take pity and pretend to like her music? I don't care of she has a pretty face or a killer ass. If the music sucks, it wasn't worth the effort. And I find it a damn shame that she has wasted not only my time, but hers as well. I'm sure all the intentions are right, and she's a nice person and all, but that won't make the music any better.

And ehm....the female trance scene? Why does there have to be a female trance scene? It's a mixed scene right? Where did all that PLUR stuff go? If I'm not mistaken the U stands for unity? Now I'm not really someone who believes in the PLUR philosophy, though it's admirable, but this scene for me has always embodied a scene where people are judged for their personality, and not gender, race or other superficial stuff. And now you, as a woman, try to polarize the scene? Hmmm, think I'm missing where that makes any sense.



One of the sanest comments ever. Amen to that.           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
micheru
Psychedelic Vocalist

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Posted : Jun 6, 2006 00:19

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So rude. By the way don't forget people that it's really hard for us, girls, makin the music and master it. more hard!! Very hard!!


why is it more hard for girls?           In the depth of my soul there is a wordless song.
NikC
BeatNik

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Posted : Jun 6, 2006 02:52
Quote:

On 2006-06-06 00:19, micheru wrote:

Quote:

So rude. By the way don't forget people that it's really hard for us, girls, makin the music and master it. more hard!! Very hard!!


why is it more hard for girls?




Firstly, I'm not a girl so can't really give first hand experience.

BUT I believe that it's not more difficult for a girl to make music, as long as the talent, skill and dedication are there...
I've heard much of your music Michelle, and the talent obviously is there - you, unlike Dali, can actually sing (and sing well, as well)...

And in a way Dali proves the reverse is possible too!
How she - a girl with (judging purely on the music of the album) little talent in both the vocal, the musical, and the production area - has become such a high flyer, and so talked about!
(I feel this thread pretty much proves this point)

Also... let's think.. why is Dali so popular...? Is it because she makes good music, or is it because of another reason?

As Damion said in his original review:
"[Dali]...Interesting as a phenomenon..."
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