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Dali - Hectic (HomMega)
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micheru
Psychedelic Vocalist
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Posted : Jun 3, 2006 12:55
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ok ranting time....
there may have been a time when i was interested to hear Dali's new sounds or album but the 500+ spam emails i get from hommega kinda desensitised me. if i get one more *vote for dali as the world's best dj* *download dali for free* *check out dali's new publicity shots* *dali coming soon* *dali wrote a sentence i want to share with you* or *new DALI interview* emails i am going to scream. i already asked to be removed from the mailing list but no result. now it feels like a personal onslaught of overexposure. please hommega if you read this leave me alone!!!
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shahar
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Jun 3, 2006 15:18
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I haven't heard the album- probably won't listen to it in the future as well- not my kind of music. So I can't review it, but it seems that no one here did, apart from Damion, and even he concentrated more on hurting others than evaluating music.
A friend told me to read this thread, and I'm quite sorry I did.
I'm sad to see what has this forum that I started degenerated into.
I think that more sad than the fact that commercial poppish mediocre/bad and totally non-psychedelic music is coming out in this scene, and that faces/names/egos are supposed to sell music, is the fact that a thread like this exists in what is considered as the center of this culture by a lot of people.
Damion's review and the way he chose to express himself here and the responses that followed it have for me the exact same connection to what is trance culture for me as Dali's music.
There's a saying in Hebrew which I hope I translated well- when you find fault, it is your own fault you find.
Think about that.
And maybe spend less time in forums and more in good parties out in nature.
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Acidhive
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Jun 3, 2006 15:41
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On 2006-06-03 15:18, shahar wrote:
I haven't heard the album- probably won't listen to it in the future as well- not my kind of music. So I can't review it, but it seems that no one here did, apart from Damion, and even he concentrated more on hurting others than evaluating music.
A friend told me to read this thread, and I'm quite sorry I did.
I'm sad to see what has this forum that I started degenerated into.
I think that more sad than the fact that commercial poppish mediocre/bad and totally non-psychedelic music is coming out in this scene, and that faces/names/egos are supposed to sell music, is the fact that a thread like this exists in what is considered as the center of this culture by a lot of people.
Damion's review and the way he chose to express himself here and the responses that followed it have for me the exact same connection to what is trance culture for me as Dali's music.
There's a saying in Hebrew which I hope I translated well- when you find fault, it is your own fault you find.
Think about that.
And maybe spend less time in forums and more in good parties out in nature.
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I don't get you at all. This forum is intended to discuss music is it not? That's what we're doing here. And although it isn't happening very respectful to the artist in question you just have to agree: In a scene that is in its essence not commercial at all it is all the more annoying to see labels trying to sell commercial music to people that (for the most part) hate / avoid commercial music. That tends to loosen up the values of appreciation for an artist a little. And as for the fact no one reviews: wake up and smell the coffee. Most reviews here start with one poster reviewing an album and others just posting in short what they think. No different here is it?
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chong
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Posted : Jun 3, 2006 17:20
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On 2006-06-03 15:18, shahar wrote:
Damion's review and the way he chose to express himself here and the responses that followed it have for me the exact same connection to what is trance culture for me as Dali's music.
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this is cause & consequences ...
damion's review is simply the consequence of the dali's big show... |
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shahar
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Jun 3, 2006 17:44
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On 2006-06-03 15:18, shahar wrote:
Damion's review and the way he chose to express himself here and the responses that followed it have for me the exact same connection to what is trance culture for me as Dali's music.
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this is cause & consequences ...
damion's review is simply the consequence of the dali's big show...
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Is it the only consequence possible from this cause?
No, it isn't. Humans, unlike rocks f.e., have the ability to choose their consequences many times.
The fact that this thread is the consequence of Dali's album saddens me more then the album itself, in other words.
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"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."
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shahar
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Jun 3, 2006 18:07
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On 2006-06-03 15:41, Acidhive wrote:
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OK, I will explain more in detail.
This thread is humiliating, hurting, condenscending, aggressive, offensive, violent etc.
There are ways to criticize music (and people)- criticizing with the intent of hurting the person you criticize, or with total disregard for their feelings (i.e. disrespect) is for me a wrong way, and something which is much more against trance culture as I precieve it than bad pop music trance. In fact, it is very much against the guidelines of this forum. Just read them again.
Just put yourself for a few minutes in Dali's place, imagine that as Dali, you really like what you do (which is most probable)- how would you feel? Read again this thread as Dali, I met her twice briefly, she seems like a nice honest person- How do you feel?
Please, do it.
Reading this thread again brought me the image of a pack of vicious wolves lashing again and again at a limping lamb trying to run away with the rest of the herd.
Wolves need to eat so they do it. What need in people this serves?
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"Be the change you want to see in the world!"
M.K. Gandhi
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."
Aldous Huxley
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chong
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Posted : Jun 3, 2006 18:27
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on the other side, faking playing drums or faking playing synth during a live performance isn't showing any respect toward the public either...
i don't say the public reaction is good or bad, i just think it's the logic consequence of all this fake star system show |
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shahar
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Posted : Jun 3, 2006 20:18
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I agree with you Chong- except that I woudln't say logical, just expected. And I also don't think it's the other side. It's the same side.
I believe that in order to change something you have to behave differently. The expected behaviour will just leave us inside that fake system. That's why I think that it's important to treat people as people and not as stars, that is, products- that's the only way to change them back to people.
Treating Dali as a product, what some ppl here say she deserves will not change her or her label. They will just try to make a different product. Treating her as a human might succeed. I can give an exact example if you want- just go to this thread that has gone in a quite different direction: http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/88771/forum/41/start/0
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"Be the change you want to see in the world!"
M.K. Gandhi
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."
Aldous Huxley
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Yuli
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Posted : Jun 4, 2006 00:49
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Shahar I totally disagree with your opinion. Not only that, I feel u r a little patronizing over others as one that 'wiser' etc...
You didnt make this forum, but you were part of the ppl that made it. And this forum is at the moment entity of its own, and the fact that many here dont think the way u think doesnt mean they are wrong - maybe u are.
Sometimes shit hits the fan - here is another known saying to you. And those that shit without looking sometimes shit on the fan, and it comes back.
I heard the samples.
I dislike the gender thing. But someone chose to make the CD look like it is.
I have an opinion, that saying this kind of music that turns to sell CDs and perform for piles of $$ is aimed @ kids that eventually go and do synthetic drugs. While @ its origin this music was sophisticated and not easily conceived by everyone.
So yer slogans didnt work well on me at least
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andrew interchill
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jun 4, 2006 03:40
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shahar said it right...
don't buy/copy the cd if you don't like it...
but leave out the personal criticism...
what were you all expecting/hoping for anyway ?
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Shahar Indepth
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Posted : Jun 4, 2006 03:40
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look this is really not my style of music , so i cant say i enjoyed it ,
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this disrespect has got to stop , this girl is still a human being so enough bullshit.
you dont like it - dont buy it , dont go to her shows , dont buy the book
but please try to keep this respectful
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pinkfairy
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Posted : Jun 4, 2006 07:23
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i totaly follow your mind shahar,
don't understand poeple that need to say so much things disrespect,
i'm also not fan of dali's style but why she need to get all that....respect the women that do things , as i know in psytrance there are not alot of girls (actually not like man's)...plz guys keep your bad words(you don't need to hurt),just about respect!
anyway i wish the best to dali, and hopefuly that she 'll surprise lots of person on the forum(i'm sure of that)
keep respect!
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Nathan
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Jun 4, 2006 07:46
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I gonna speak 4 myself now but I think that many ppl will agree with me:
We have the right to glorify albums as much as we have the right to bash them
This music represents everything that trance is not.
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shahar
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Jun 4, 2006 08:03
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On 2006-06-04 00:49, Yuli wrote:
Shahar I totally disagree with your opinion. Not only that, I feel u r a little patronizing over others as one that 'wiser' etc...
You didnt make this forum, but you were part of the ppl that made it. And this forum is at the moment entity of its own, and the fact that many here dont think the way u think doesnt mean they are wrong - maybe u are.
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Sorry if I sounded patronizing. I didn't mean too. Just meant to share my look at things and my life experience.
Probably this forum still means a lot to me and so I reacted with some heat using the word degenerated.
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So yer slogans didnt work well on me at least
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It's my opinions and thoughts, not slogans. And they probably didn't work on you, as you already behaved in the same way, judging from what you wrote in the thread in the promotional section,which I think is a good example of how one can criticize while trying not to hurt the other side.
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"Be the change you want to see in the world!"
M.K. Gandhi
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."
Aldous Huxley
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huga_generation
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jun 4, 2006 12:41
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after reading this thread i got cirious and i listend to some of the samples from the tracks, not my style, even full-on has a very warm spot in my heart this is not the way of making it good.
besides that, i join shahar point of view, and i must say that this sort of behaviour to person is just discusting, so she put her pic on the cover.. so what??? and infected mushroom makes ringtones and skazi preform in talk-show's, so what??
not every artist related to psytrance must be exactly direct his work to the more underground psytrance and he has the right to choose differently.
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