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Criminal organizers beating artist and crowd - NOT A JOKE
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Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 22:32
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On 2006-09-19 22:28, sue wrote:
oh no...
now we are very far from what I wanted to tell..
come on guys dont go crazy 
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its called evolution
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neuromantik
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 22:38
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Sorry for bringing up the issue and arousing all the nationalists in this forum.
FYI, I have plenty of serbian friends and I don't think badly of the people and citizens, and I'm not a big fan of NATO either.
You can judge me and call me a liar, but if you wish to think that you're living in the safest place on earth than good luck to you. I don't think France is a safer place or parties since our authorities give us crap as well, legit parties often fail to get authorisations and permits, and as such resulting illegal parties are just as dangerous. |
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 22:59
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On 2006-09-19 21:46, Pavel wrote:
We need to hear TrippyJohnny's (International Truth Corporation) side of the truth ©® and close this topic right after that.
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I got nothing to add to this topic. I dont know much about Serbia.
Its really sad to see how you always seek fights with me Pavel. For the sake of peace I'll avoid further contact with you in this forum. I hope you are man enough to do the same.
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 23:22
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yes ok Serbia, Albania etc. aint as safe as lets say sweden or germany and they have authorities that are a bit corrupt but what does that have to do with this thread?
It's not like they were robbed at a trainstation, beaten by the police or something. actually the only people who acted like criminals here were the organizers and their team. Remember that people at the party supported and helped "the good guys".
Not that we couldn't have a discussion about Nato, Corruption, Milocevic, George Bush etc. I just don't see how this Issue in particular would benefit from that.
In fact the only thing such talk will achieve is probably some arguments, a bit of racist comments and some amount of sadness among the decent and trance loving serbs in this forum.
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DETOX
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 23:27
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Just two things to add on the topic.
A)Dont blame Serbia because of a bad organiser,there are parties taking place there for many years now by many serious promoters and there were no problems at all or complaints by any other artists or people.Just because a stupid guy decided to rip off people and artists this doesnt mean that the whole country and its authorities are corrupted or that the rest promoters work bad like that,saying 'This is Serbia so what you expected' is just a bad generalisation.And if this is Serbia then i dont know what we should say about promoters in Mexico,Brazil,Israel and many other countries where complains are being made on a daily basis and even stories like this one.
B)I know that people will start screaming at me now but in my humble opinion half the blame falls on the stupid organiser and half the blame falls on the Parahalu guy.I mean he was booked before some time by the same organiser and he received no advance money or anything else and on the last moment he got informed that the party got cancelled.Then just after some weeks he gets an offer again by the same organiser and AGAIN the organiser didnt keep up his word and didnt send any money in advance.WHY THE HECK DID PARAHALU GO TO PLAY FOR AN ORGANISER LIKE THIS ONE?Sorry but like i have said in the past some people are willing to accept being treated like rubbish or being exploited in order to play music somewhere and do their artistic thing.Well this is what happens when you dont respect yourself as much as you should.Some things happen to us for a reason sometimes.Good luck in the future.
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 23:37
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Yeah Detox Im afraid I am gonna have to flame you for #2.
Attitudes like yours only reinforce dishonest people and make them feel OK about what they do. Criminals tend to have this mentality that goes like this "If I steal something from some one its THEIR fault for letting me steal it, NOT MY FAULT for not respecting that persons property.
Trust is not an invitation to robbery, it is just trust plain and simple. If trust is violated, their need to be consequences for the violater, not condemnation of the trusting person.
People like YOU Detox, embolden people like these organizers to do this sort of crap.
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Manash
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 00:06
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On 2006-09-19 23:27, DETOX wrote:
B)I know that people will start screaming at me now but in my humble opinion half the blame falls on the stupid organiser and half the blame falls on the Parahalu guy.I mean he was booked before some time by the same organiser and he received no advance money or anything else and on the last moment he got informed that the party got cancelled.Then just after some weeks he gets an offer again by the same organiser and AGAIN the organiser didnt keep up his word and didnt send any money in advance.WHY THE HECK DID PARAHALU GO TO PLAY FOR AN ORGANISER LIKE THIS ONE?Sorry but like i have said in the past some people are willing to accept being treated like rubbish or being exploited in order to play music somewhere and do their artistic thing.Well this is what happens when you dont respect yourself as much as you should.Some things happen to us for a reason sometimes.Good luck in the future.
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ok ok.. it's your opinion, but if you read carefully the first post you will see that adam wanted to play there for the crowd and not for the organizers.
he just don't have the same thoughts as you about being nice to people who wants to listen his music. 
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DETOX
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 00:12
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On 2006-09-19 23:37, Psycosmo wrote:
Trust is not an invitation to robbery, it is just trust plain and simple. If trust is violated, their need to be consequences for the violater, not condemnation of the trusting person.
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Trust?
How can you trust someone you dont know or havent ever met?
And even worst how can you trust someone who ALREADY proved that is not trustworthy?And not just once but TWICE before taking that plane and flying to his country for his party.Because it was two times that the organisers didnt keep their word with the advance money.
No my dear friend we are not dealing with trust here,we are dealing with other issues,emotions,feelings,passions name them as you like.
It was not trust that made Parahalu go there to this party,i mean like i said before how can you trust someone you dont know at all and who already proved to be not trustworthy two times?It was the desire for fame,promotion,self satisfaction,money and the lack of profesionalism and high self respect that made Parahalu take that risk (which proved to be a bad one) and go to that party with no advance money,no contracts,not even a good chance that this guy could prove to be a good organiser after all because if he doesnt send advance money then obviously if the party wont go good then he isnt going to pay you either.If Parahalu had some self respect and was a decent professional he would say to the organiser to send the advance money or fuck off but unfortunately some people will do anything for a booking.
Lets hope that he will learn by his own mistakes and let this incident serve as an example for all those people out there who are willing to sacrifice their self respect for couple of bookings and some dollars more.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Cutie
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 00:47
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I hear(d) stories about these kind of rip offs ONLY in the psy-trance-scene... |
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 01:34
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Detox some people start out with a baseline leval of trust. The organizer probably assured him that he would have the money by the time of the party and Para Halu probably took him at his word. Maybe in his past experiences, most people have kept their word on such things.
If nobody was willing to trust first then nothing would ever get done in this world. Because of this, when baseline trust is violated, it is important that the VIOLATOR be made to regret their actions, and that people NOT jump on the person who got screwed.
I cant beleive that you have the nerve to rip on Para Halu for having a big ego and being selfish. What a bunch of crap!!!!
I'll say it again: IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU, DETOX, WHO MAKE PEOPLE LIKE THESE ORGANIZERS FEEL THAT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS SORT OF THING!!!! Your words tacitcly condone their behavior. There should be a unanimous call for these organizers heads and NO criticism of the artist. Im sure he feels a bit foolish for falling for such tricks and you pointing it out is totally unhelpful.
All it does is distract from what should be the purpose of the thread: Verifying the allegations, finding out who these people are, and making something happen to them so that in the future people will think twice before screwing a psy artist.
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DETOX
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 02:20
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Psycosmo i said some things but you still ignore them,it might suite you to do so but i am obliged to say the same things again.Baseline trust?I am asking you again what kind of trust you can show to someone who you dont know at all and has already not kept his word twice?You said that the organizer probably assured him that he would have the money by the time of the party,well wasnt it the same organizer who in the first place aggreed TWO TIMES to send advance money and never did?Sorry mate but baseline trust is when i am calling you as an organiser and telling you in the first place that i am doing this party here and i cant pay you any advance at all and i will pay you after you perform at the party,then there is a baseline trust by the artists side since the organiser is crystal clear from the beggining and doesnt try to earn any time using cheap tricks.When the organisers has lied twice to the artist then there is no such thing as baseline trust but excessive lying from the organisers side and naive behaviour from the artist in the best case scenario.
By the way you seem to ignore the fact that i give half the blame to the organiser and the other half to the artist,i am not backing up any stupid organiser here neither i am defending him,i am saying loud and clear that this Serbian guy is a joke and must get punished BUT i am also saying that artists are also responsible for this situation because in order to get bookings they accept whatever offer they organisers present them and in the end they are getting exploited for some dollars a two hours dj set and a plane ticket.Organisers treat some artists like shit because the particular artists allow them to do so.If Parahalu had some more self respect this would never had happened and he would tell the guy to fuck off with his lies and cheap offers.
By the way before talking about me and accusing me for making people like that stupid promoter feel that he can get away with what he has done i advice you to make a little research about me,i am a promoter too you know for some years now,browse this forum and the net and see what people and artists have to say about me and my methods and then come up here again and tell me if i am backing up such shameless persons or not either with my actions or words.
For you the purpose of this topic is to find out who these idiots are and punish them or whatever.For me the primary purpose of this post is to serve as an example of how artists SHOULD NOT THINK,ACT AND BEHAVE so that exploiting promoters will soon dissappear (since there will be noone to exploit anymore) and incidents like this one will never take place again.
You see my friend while you are looking at the tree i am looking at the forest
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 02:37
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Detox:
"For you the purpose of this topic is to find out who these idiots are and punish them or whatever.For me the primary purpose of this post is to serve as an example of how artists SHOULD NOT THINK,ACT AND BEHAVE so that exploiting promoters will soon dissappear (since there will be noone to exploit anymore) and incidents like this one will never take place again. "
how ´bout we do both!!
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DETOX
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 02:41
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Thats why i said the PRIMARY purpose mate meaning that both must be done although for me artists behaviour is more important than stupid organisers
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 03:10
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Eraser
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 03:22
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this turned out to be even more interesting topic than it seemed... Important talk Detox.
:quote Dennis: "wow, this thread is getting hot..
how come there is such big love for countries?
I would never defend my country."
Where were u from then..? ok now I remember heheh... |
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