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dreadieg
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Posted : Jul 17, 2011 22:51
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no doubt. everyone that comes out to my events tend to be much more mature, mainly cause i give all the lil raver kiddies so much shit, they're scared of my events. besides, i've literally ejected some obviously drugged out kids that thought we were doing a tearout party. now only the good folks come out to play.
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mez
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 00:49
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eh, this is why the psy-trance scene is looked at as a bunch of elitists.
I don't really feel like these attitudes are particularly psychedelic. I am gonna have to call ya out on this one. shunning people? derogatory names? dismissive attutudes? not feeling it. I will openly (as an anonymous alias on the forum :wink:) that ravng opened many doors in my life and I have alot of respect for that movement. trance evolved somewhat as a different species but there is a great overlap and cross pollination of ideas.
and in the eyes of the law, media and pretty much everyone who has never heard of Goa we are one and the same. burners, ravers, hippies, trancers, if we are to have any hope of longevity, autonomy and safety from persecution we need to have some unity, particularly when it comes to our legal woes.
To simply saw, well the rave act shouln't or wont effect what we do, is asking for trouble. I guess Shiranui said it short and sweet. I just wanted to reitterate some of that.
Also, maybe look at it this way, by excluding people you are limiting our gene pool, if you want new sights, sounds and experiences you need new blood. By extending a hand and exposing people to the best the trance experience has to offer you may in turn change someones life, they may in turn change yours.
I mean if that guy at the local record store hadn't handed me a flyer for a Xerox and Talamasca party in 2003... who knows, I might still be listening to happy hardcore (give me a break, i was 15)
anyway, not trying to fight, I was gonna say earlier that I feel like expanding and redefining the trance experience is an ongoing thing, I think Gil knows this.
glad to have a place to talk about this stuff
Peace, love and BOM
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mez
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 06:24
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as you can probably tell I was rushing with that, sorry for the typos and missing words.
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 06:50
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 Theres nothign wrong with mainstream parties, or mainstream party people, hell if it wasnt for mainstream-esque gigs I wouldn't have had half the bookings i have, in this town I take what I can get, and anyway, theres lots of heads in the scene that Ive known since forever, if it wasnt for a dj here and there playing psytrance at mainstream (aka multi-genre, aka whatever the hell) parties I dont know if I would be who I am now. Some of the first stuff that tickled my fancy electronic-dance wise was stuff like Roni Size, KLF, Cirrus, and a ton-shit of others...
Freedom is a 2-way (or more depending on your interpretation of quantum theory) street, if you expect to be free to have your kind of fun, you have to allow others the freedom have their kind of fun unmolested, whatever that may be. Some people juggle geese.
Also, it does take more effort, which to me seems like an unnecessary hassle, to get upset, and haughty, masturbate the ego, feel superior, sneer, and ultimately cause a whole bunch of unnecessary division where none existed previous. FYI.
(I hope you dont thin I was being elitist, mez, I didnt really read the rest of teh posts. I was just stating the differences, in my observations. When you're used to Reno all-ages parties, with 12 yr old girls in their underwear EVERYWHERE, no one dancing, Vicks stank everywhere... You notice such things.)
Overall, as well, the general mood of the trance gigs ive been to has been much lighter, more smiles, and genuine ones, not just E smiles (not saying thats bad). I think its something to do with teh fact taht NO ONE IS MAKING MONEY. So no one is worried about making money, or guarding money, or etc. And too, that means that the ppl who are giving their time and talent to play music aren't doing it for any reason (I say in the height of optimism) but the sheer joy. I for one have thrown out a ton of money on various aspects of trance gigs, without a dime in return. The joy that Ive experienced and teh people Ive met and shared that joy with are priceless, so I call that a bargain, the best I ever haaaaaaad....
THE BEST I EVER HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD 
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dreadieg
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 10:22
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i'm not so much concerned with being an elitist as i am with not being hassled by the pigs. i'll throw drugged up assholes out on their ass anyday, as they're not just a liability to my parties, but they're a legal liability. i'm not happy about that state of affairs, mind you.
i'd love to let anyone come out and do whatever, but i have a basic investment to think about and i have to consider that i'm poor and can't pay some pig funded law suit about contributing to the drug use of america or some shit like that.
at this point in my party promoter career, there is one thing that motivates me: the music.
yes, there are aspects of this all that are deeper then that, but at the end of the day, i'm a music event promoter. and that sucks, because there is sooooo much more to this than event production.
but. that being said, would i rather act like a cock and tell ravers to fuck off, and still create a space for responsible, intelligent folk to experience varied states of mind? that's a given.
i don't throw raves. i organize trance events for active meditative states.
elitist?
you fuckin betcha.
wanna rock out? go to tearout parties with lots of pretty lights and underages girls in fishnet skirts. i hear they put out easy.
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dreadieg
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 10:24
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of course, that being said, most of my events are hard fought for/hard won. so i'm alittle hard assed.
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 11:45
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they put out provided they're kept well fed with cheap pressed random MDxx chemicals (if they're lucky)
also provided one is a FUCKING SLIMEBALL SHADEMEISTER
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 19:15
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the trick with dealing with mainstream party people is to encourage them to burn out before 2 or 3 am, they all go to their tents and pass out and then you have the rest of the morning and daytime free to enjoy |
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OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Jul 19, 2011 00:25
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jul 19, 2011 17:25
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On 2011-07-19 00:25, OpenSourceCode wrote:
the fundamental question is:
what are you trying to accomplish with this event?
all other questions spin out of the answer to that one.
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Ding Ding Ding.
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dreadieg
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Posted : Jul 23, 2011 09:54
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no offense to anyone trying to do otherwise, but if you're not trying to create a safe and sane environment with full accommodations that meet not only the needs and requirements of your customers, but the needs of your vendors, sound guys, Djs, live artists and deco folk you're not a good promoter. your team is more important than the event, they literally ARE the event. if you don't take into account every single thing to make your event perfectly comfortable for everyone involved, you should have planned harder.
barring weather, cops, drug fuck ups, or organized crime, everything is easy to plan for. it just takes time and money.
what should any promoter want to accomplish with the event? give the party go-ers and artists the best and most comfortable time they can for the money the customers are paying. it's not that hard when you're charging over 40 bucks a ticket.
of course, i will eat that logic the first festival i throw. but hey, a fella's got to have dreams, right?
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