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Chill-out vs. Psychedelic Trance (Dark-Psy)?
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John
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 18:52
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On 2005-09-13 18:40, delay wrote:
the definition of "chill" is as broad as you want it to be. now, can someone define "dance" music while we're at it.... 
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er.. music for dancing to?? |
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 10:16
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On 2005-09-12 17:21, droozi wrote:
At the same time - The karunesh sample has also been way tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo used in chill out tracks (is'nt that a little repetative too???)
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@droozi
yeah...thats a great sample...  infact its soo killer that naw this sample has been used in a psy compilation released in august (i think a track by cpu) ill get u the name soon...
n talk 'bout it being repetetive...
i guess psy will soon evolve...n we ll have just "chilll" when our psy heads get fried out of vibing with the same base line again n again at every party! 
peace 
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Pax
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 20:16
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On 2005-09-11 12:21, MARGHERITA wrote:
Hello Zoolog
Ambient music & chill out are from many years into dark also, check this topic http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/18567/forum/10
A few forms of "psy chill" are also "discovered" (i think) before dark trance, for exemple : Klaus Shulze play in the 70' whit arpegiator patterns & psy sound & dark atmospheres. The gothic/industrial ambient scene are also pretty close to "psy chill"
So....... 
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I agree..I see artists such as Carbon Based Lifeforms, Solar Fields, and Ishq as taking
this approach and think that sound is the best source for the sound. I also wish more chill DJ's would have the balls to ditch the cheezy downtempo pseudo "psy-chill" and dare to play a real ambient set. I want to start hearing Vir Unis, Forrest Fang, Steve Roach, Lull, Maitreya, stuff like that at parties. |
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Pax
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 20:18
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Yeah, like notice how all dark psy is beginning to sound the same? And this clubby "neo-fullon" crap-don't even get me started. |
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 20:30
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On 2005-09-14 10:16, Forest dreams wrote:
yeah...thats a great sample... infact its soo killer that naw this sample has been used in a psy compilation released in august (i think a track by cpu) ill get u the name soon...
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it s track by 40Precent - 'Swift' ...n not cpu!
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sennes
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Posted : Sep 21, 2005 09:04
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cloud-girl
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Posted : Oct 20, 2005 21:53
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I've been going to trance parties since 1994 and it seems..... psy-trance music has pretty much stayed the same. the production is slicker (because producers have better software and hardware), and it seems to have got a lot harder, but the formula's are the same. I think it's crucial that chill-out doesn't go the same way. As soon as people start putting labels on what "psychedelic" is..... and creating rules around it.... that's when the fun stops! It's rare these days to hear music that truly pushes the boundaries and explores new ideas. A lot of trance chill seems bland and safe to me. using the same sounds and ideas. Every now and then something pushes through as being original. But the chill-out area is the one place where you should be hearing a diverse palette of ideas!
Keep it diverse!
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Dainty Doll
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Posted : Oct 20, 2005 22:51
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maux
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Posted : Oct 22, 2005 22:37
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well...many of us used to and are still going to trance parties...probably psy trance scene is at a dead end point...defenetly not psychedelic as before...too much powders up in the nose I guess...too many playboys and sexy chicks on dancefloor that become boring stage for ego wars...and too much business involved...party organizers are more and more like gangsters...but chill out scene is not that different I am afraid...not psychedelic as before...very poshi...too much pointless dub and repeating formulas...most chill djs play grandmother music most of the time...with no energy and soul and no taste for experiments.. ..I think is defenetly time for a split...a new branch...a different point of view...that brings some surprise out of the speakers....let's do it... |
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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 12:50
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@ maux
intresting point of view mate ....but whats pointless dub ? ....even if u pick from the 2005 lot of chillout releases u would find ATLEAST 50-60% of it is excellent and intresting ....new acts like capsula, then we have so many new collaborations comming up like gaudi and testa ....why do i feel ur too much of a pessimist ...
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maux
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 14:35
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ciao BluOrb...
maybe I am a pessimist...maybe...maybe is too long that I listen and do electronic music...I actually think that 75 to 90 percent of chill out releases in 2005 sounds like 1995...useless...Orb and friends said it all 10 years ago...countless number of compilations with no caracter and energy...angelic voices and boring tunes with even boring titles...all same same...same same in dub...it sounds like everybody out there is enlightened and liquid this days...yesterday I listen to 10 of those new releses and after I was very nervous...skpping from one track to an other without been able to reconize any of them...the more ridicolous were the ones with trance artists trying their best to do a chill tune...ahahah,,,Kindzadza and Gms doing chill are boring shit....not even nicely produced...
I don't know Capsula...but I agree with you about the Gaudi/Testa Continuum album that is really exellent...but I don't file this kind of project under chillout...but more under ambient electronica....serious music...not to make you sleep or groove on the beach while you drink a martini (like most chill tunes) ... but to let you dream and explore innerspace...I defenetly prefer to listen Deadbeat and Monolake and more electronic stuff this days...why do I feel that the scene is gone numb ?--- ;-) |
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 15:12
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On 2005-10-26 14:35, maux wrote:
ciao BluOrb...
maybe I am a pessimist...maybe...maybe is too long that I listen and do electronic music...I actually think that 75 to 90 percent of chill out releases in 2005 sounds like 1995...useless...Orb and friends said it all 10 years ago...countless number of compilations with no caracter and energy...angelic voices and boring tunes with even boring titles...all same same...same same in dub...it sounds like everybody out there is enlightened and liquid this days...yesterday I listen to 10 of those new releses and after I was very nervous...skpping from one track to an other without been able to reconize any of them...the more ridicolous were the ones with trance artists trying their best to do a chill tune...ahahah,,,Kindzadza and Gms doing chill are boring shit....not even nicely produced...
I don't know Capsula...but I agree with you about the Gaudi/Testa Continuum album that is really exellent...but I don't file this kind of project under chillout...but more under ambient electronica....serious music...not to make you sleep or groove on the beach while you drink a martini (like most chill tunes) ... but to let you dream and explore innerspace...I defenetly prefer to listen Deadbeat and Monolake and more electronic stuff this days...why do I feel that the scene is gone numb ?--- ;-)
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Being pessimistic is never productive .
IMHO, mind-blowing psy-trance is still being created; the problem is all the crap that you have to go through in-order find a quality release, that’s why I mostly listen to Twisted- Rec.-trance. I feel that the situation in the chill-out scene is similar; the only difference is that I have to go through less crap in-order to find a quality release.
I think “this” scene should focus its attention towards the music that it appreciates, instead of all the constant bitching. It doesn’t really bother me whether I’ll like 5 or 10 releases a year, as long as I really enjoy the 5 or 10 releases.
IMHO, all the negativity and pessimism which is expressed all across the internet (psy- forum’s), isn’t beneficial, in-fact I think it’s making matters worse. People are conveying pessimism and transmitting gloomy forecasts; we are manifesting our own gloomy “prophecies”. We create our own reality.
"Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Oct 27, 2005 02:43
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Mau...
I agree with you that there is less stunning music coming at us these days - though maybe it could be us who are less stunned by it in some cases...
still - I reckon there is a place for [nearly] everything at the right time... in other words that there is beauty in variety...
Some moments that cheesy martini sunset tune can actually work out... and in the same way there are times that I find that I want to listen to, or maybe just passively hear music that does not demand so much of me...
There are albums that i recognise as high quality, produced with great technique... and yet their originality and authenticity does not necessarily make them listenable...[that often]
ideally art and entertainment should be happily intertwined...in such a way that there is no compromise of one for the other
i try not to overlisten to our stuff, and mostly try to avoid material within the genre... usually it is dub or dancehall on itunes radio that gets me through...
there is very little you or any of us can do to raise standards except by our own efforts... people generally recognise quality when they hear it...
i think the scene too is fluid and changes depending on where you are or how you are seeing it... come check out the fresh air in canada... london may be a creative hive, but it can take its toll...
we do create our own realities... and i choose to be inspired by the good music and pay very little attention to anything else...
i reckon your music is a very good way of getting your ideas accross... - and if you can find a way to navigate the ugly money reality then we're all in for a treat when you release your next album... looking fwd to that very much |
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maer
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Posted : Oct 27, 2005 03:55
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andrew wrote: "I agree with you that there is less stunning music coming at us these days - though maybe it could be us who are less stunned by it in some cases... "
both are true, indeed.
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PKS
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Posted : Oct 27, 2005 08:52
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Well, there is no news that chill out music went commercial a long time ago. Café Del Mar, Buddha Bar and tons of other compilations coming out of Ibiza and super trendy cafés and resaturants has had a dull, unchallenging, easy digestible sound for many years allready. But this is probably meant for the coffe shop marked... I don't pay much attention to compilations like that anymore, simply because I haven't got time to dig through ten compilations to find one good track....
About trance vs. chill, I definately find chill out/ambient much more interesting than trance these days. Chill out is also much more timeless music. I still play old tracks from beginning of the 90's etc... But, I also think there is more quality chill now than before, which is great! Chill out/ambient music is also a very wide category. Here you have got everything from Biosphere to Ott... Something for many different tastes... Actually I think it's perfect like it is now. I just wish more people bought the quality chill so that the labels could more easily survive...
Now, where can I see that wrestling match between Goa Gil and Ott? Can I join too?
PKS
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