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___MichaelA
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Posted : Aug 10, 2001 21:24:13
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Did anyone notice that sometimes the labels (or someone else) put around 65 minutes of music on a cd that can contain 80 minutes?
Come on! We're paying for the cd's and we want to get music for the money!
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___alchemist
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Posted : Aug 10, 2001 21:33:07
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But what do u prefer, beautiful 65 min' with good stuff, or 80 min' of shit?
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___yuli
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Posted : Aug 10, 2001 21:36:01
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To make an 80 minute CD is much more expensive that 74 minute one, that is for the start.
And second, in any case it finds it's way to the net easy and u download it and there are not too much ppl that actually BUY the CD so the bitchin' in this case is a little irrelevant ;-)
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___Salton
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Posted : Aug 10, 2001 22:07:02
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Yuli I don't agree with you..
I must say that I personly bought about 200 original albums
I also must say that i am not "TZADIK" and I am also has a lot of albums that I Burned and have from the internet.
But when I buy new disc , and pay 79-85 nis for it and I discover that the cd has only 59 min, I makes me fucking angry..
but i at least have the luck that the artists that I by their staff(most of them) making a long and quality projects..
such are: ASTRAL PROJECTION - that every album they released was at least 78:30 min or more..
So I advise you as an artits not say such wrong words and admit that is wrong...
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___bagakid
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Posted : Aug 10, 2001 23:39:43
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Elad is right here -
Labels should pay for the extra bit!!
c'mon they charge exorbitant rates for a peice of plastic. Around the 65 minute mark is OK but less than that is really not an album. and Yuli dear, ppl are beginning to buy - have some faith!
I bought both your albums;)
Cheers geezers
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___yuli
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Posted : Aug 11, 2001 00:49:11
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___shahar
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Posted : Aug 11, 2001 01:31:50
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2 points to consider:
1. if we're talking about an artist album- sometimes an artist feels that he wants to say what he has to say in less than 80 minutes- that's OK- quantitiy is less important than quality.
2. if we're talking about compilations, take notice that the more tracks are there, the artists make less money. |
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___David_Shalev
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Posted : Aug 11, 2001 13:58:10
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Just wanted to add:
It is easy to complain to the record labels, but like Shahar said: an artist's album is a complete work. Can you imagine complaining to mozart to make his 40th symphony longer because these days the cds have more space??
The other side is the compilations. People DO expect to get their money's worth. They don't really care how much are the labels paying the artists. And they are right.
And one last remark: Israeli Trance is sold in the shops for less then 69 shekels for quite a while now. Many shops are selling the cds for 59 and below. I find these prices totally ok, as I live in Amsterdam and the pices here are higher. I guess some people just enjoy complaining and until they will be able to buy an original cd for the price of a burnt one they will never stop. |
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___MichaelA
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Posted : Aug 11, 2001 16:12:28
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[quote]But what do u prefer, beautiful 65 min' with good stuff, or 80 min' of shit?[/quote]I prefer 80 minutes of good stuff.
Shahar said that on compilations more tracks will give the artists less money? I think that more tracks will make the album more attractive to buy! Sometimes in the shop I see an album with 7 tracks of good music and 10 tracks of good music. I go and [i]buy[/i] the one with the 10 tracks of course!
And when I was doing the interview with Psycraft I asked Nir why only 60 something music on their cd? He said that they were in a rush to release the album. Come on... Artists need to take their time to make good music! Labels shouldn't force them to stay on a time limit. |
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___yuli
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Posted : Aug 11, 2001 19:05:36
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Michael,
I think that Gravitech CD really makes my point. I really like the CD and play tracks from it for more than half a year now, and I must say that if I hear the CD as it is ( without looking at the watch ;-) ) I get a certain journey that finishes right on time, not too early and not too late - just fine. In this case why to bother for another five or ten minutes? The story is told and that's what the artist tried to say - ITS NOT ABOUT HOW MANY TRACKS CAN U STICK IN ONE CD.
Did u know that actually the capacity of a CD can be times and times more than 80 min's?
Sometimes ( especially when its about artist's project ) quality is much more precious than quantity
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___shahar
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Posted : Aug 12, 2001 01:06:08
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To complete Yuli's point- you know when I really like a musical piece? When my subjective sense of time takes over. That is, when a 7 minutes track, seems to take twice as long, or half as long. For me that means that the that track had enough of a story to get me to lose touch with our (too) objective world. Stop living by the watch on your wrist or your wall (or your CD player)- live by the time of your mind. You'll enjoy you life better, I believe, music included.
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___alchemist
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Posted : Aug 12, 2001 05:09:50
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Ture words Shahar, especially about the time issue, genrally, I stoped wearing a watch for 3 months, and it's enjoyable, and yes sometime when I hear something really good that takes me into a journey, the time seems endless, and in that case, i really don't think time has any matter.
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___tomeron
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Posted : Aug 12, 2001 10:45:49
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like everything in life ...when u enjoy somthing u dont look at the watch .
one thing about compilations :
i think that the problem lately is not that the compilations r short .imho the problem is that they r borring ,ofcurse not all of them , but u hear more & more compilations that the main purpse is to sell & not trying to tell somthing differant.
one more thing :
label owners (that r also dj's...,agian not all of the u ) ...from time to time let dj's do it !
there r so many tallented dj's that i'm sure will do more intresting job than some of the stuff that we have the "plesure" to hear lately ....
vehamevin yavin !
anyway , this is my honest opinion ... |
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___bagakid
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Posted : Aug 12, 2001 11:32:03
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A longer masterpiece is not necessarily a better masterpeice.
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___david_kebab
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Posted : Aug 12, 2001 12:33:55
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people common we r talking about art here not about sugar or milk. so what if u can cramp 80 minutes of music to a cd, but thats not the only thing you should think about when doing a cd.
think about quality.
i have some old jazz ands funk cds that r like 40 minutes so what.
art is not something u should count on with amount |
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