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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 23:35
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Hehe...P_Mac
Since you run a label you should maybe consider your views a bit more if you want to keep up with reality instead of complaining about bad sales due to Mp3.
Sometimes I just get tired of these complety unfounded arguments about how Mp3 affect music sales. There is simply no serious research proving that as a fact.
If you are serious about staying in business then splash out some cash on forresters report about the research they done into the subject.
http://www.forrester.com/ER/Research/Report/Summary/0,1338,14854,FF.html
They are generally considered one of the top researchers into economical issues and should have a clue what they talk about.
Of course their research are mostly applicable to mainstream music.
Trance happen to be less popular than 10 yrs ago, thats probably why sales in this scene has dropped by more like 90% than 10% as the case with mainstream.
Combined with the increased amount of labels and releases I think anyone can get the picture that Mp3's is not neccessarily the reason why sales is bad.
Conducting the business they way I do I have the advantage of actually being able to see the effects of what happens when a releases get in the hands of the "Mp3 maffia".
Although I don't sell much at all, I all of a sudden noticed a dramatic increase in visitors to my site and sales going up by about 400% when MYCEL finally decided to put out my first compilation.
Should I be pissed off with them?
Sorry for the off-topic and repeating an old discussion, but I just get enough of the BS sometimes.
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 05:57
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On 2005-01-22 06:06, DnMla wrote:
I hate mp3 actually but at the same time music comming from my earphones has variable bitrate 
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whats with da sad face? go buy cd 
spindrift - how u explain cd that was here as no. 2 as best v/a 2004 sold less then votes ? they luuuv it... no one buy it tho..
btw - congrats for more sales
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 12:51
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I'll be very surprised if that was the case.
What compilation was that?
I'm sure there is lot's of compilations that sold many many times more than they recived votes, so the releation is not obvious.
The compilation I made for resonantearth did not recive a single vote.
It sure have not sold many copies, probable I can pride myself with having one of the least sold compilations of all, but still that makes for much more sales than votes.
Again, if I was running the label I would be looking for other reasons than illegal mp3's if I sold very little.
And I sure would be very concerned if the compilation did not appear in the P2P networks.
Trance do not have radioplay, so P2P networks is really the most efficient way for trance labels to get the attention of potential customers.
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Lithium
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 13:41
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On 2005-01-29 12:51, Spindrift wrote:
Trance do not have radioplay, so P2P networks is really the most efficient way for trance labels to get the attention of potential customers.
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i totaly agree with you one this one  |
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 13:42
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Hello spin,
sorry what is a P2P networks ? give me light please.
Very strange discution about mp3,
when the people on trance scene whant a AUTODESTRUCTION is the good way.
sharing mp3 in LIMEWIRE (or same stuffs) make the death of trance, i'm shure.
But when the people whant this, ok no problem, when the trance scene is dead i goo in other direction.
I hope the fans dont make a big mustake, he need learn better way,
now he learn with MTV music & bissness way, no good but i think the majority of the fans is VERY STUPID.
So guys ..,. death of psy trance scene ? be carefull & buy the music , COPY KILL UNDERGROUNDS LABEL!!!!!!
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 14:29
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They are killing themself by not staying in touch with reality and not being able to think longer than their nose reach.
Please point me to some facts or studies actually proving your point.
For me it's no more than sad and miserable winching, and I can't really take it seriously, because none of you sad moaners have any kind of arguments to actually back up what you are saying.
Inflation of lables and artists, decreased popularity for trance in general, mobile phones, video games, computer hardware and globally bad economy.
Thats what kills the scene, FINANCIALLY at least.
Wake up and open your eyes, maybe you might be able get a picture of whats happening.
But yes, it's easier to just jump to a narrow minded conclusion than trying to analyze the truth.
To me it seems like many times people running labels is lacking in cognitive functionality, not the fans.
They prefer to moan about things rather than analyzing the reality, because they would not have a clue how to deal with it, so just keep on winching.
I won't feel sorry for them anyway.
The scene was born out of copying, and thats what helps it stay alive rather than die totally.
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 14:36
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spindrift - altho u find it hard to believe... its true.. as i said - "schizm" got nore votes then sales and it do meen that pplz got it but on mp3... so there is a point... well... i still think it was worth all the gigs anywayz
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 14:46
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Well, still I cannot see the relation to downloading.
Something went wrong with the distribution or promotion of that particular compilation, or there happens to be many fans of it here but people hardly heard about it otherwise.
Like I said, I bet most other compilations sold many many times more than they got votes.
And I also bet that the amount of downloads is closely related to the number of sales in general.
Maybe it was not spread enough in the P2P networks and people outside isratrance never knew it existed??
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ganjagil
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 15:01
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For me i make music from my hearth and i only need the bare essentials to live which is accomodation, food and some drugs...I know i will make enough money from the music to live in a cheap place in the nature and for me this is enough! i am not saying that i intend to make music to make money but i want to work music give a good product to the people and have enough money to live that's all!
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Lithium
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 15:41
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i see labels and artists moaning about mp3, but when i go the that "miserable" TOP 10 isratrance section, that nowadays IS ruled mainly but labels and artists, (which is no top 10 at all, just some djs, artists, and labels fighting for who has the moooost unreleased tracks), i don´t see them promoting realeased tracks!!! i guess their opinion is important for who wants to buy a cd. and when that someone gets there the only tracks they find are the ones NOT AVAILIABLE YETTT !!!
soooo, if unreleased tracks and compilations arive first in p2p than to any store, thats what people look for, and when the tracks are actually released, everyone already has them!!! sooo i think that by some sort of point of view, once again we can blame artists and labels for incentivating people to get unreleased tracks ILIGALLY!!! they are the ones who are killin themselfves!!!
does this make any sense to any of you guys, or is it just my imagination... |
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andonis
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 17:22
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Schizm appeared in many sharefiles. I agree with Spindrift that downloading actually helps the music spread. And let's hope that all who can afford it will actually buy their favourite cds(I looove doing so). Underground labels live from people who search and love their music if I'm not mistaken. On the other hand let's all try and put something back to it. Peer2peer is a direct connection between 2 pcs through an intermediate server if that is correct. But the topic is for artists to say if you can live from what you're doing but they won't tell us.
P.S. Me being a dj it is out of question untill now to live from it although this is my main occupation. No residencies at all are to be found in Athens or Corfu so you can't expect much.
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MARGHERITA
Master Margherita
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Posted : Jan 30, 2005 03:34
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On 2005-01-29 14:29, Spindrift wrote:
They are killing themself by not staying in touch with reality and not being able to think longer than their nose reach.
Inflation of lables and artists, decreased popularity for trance in general, mobile phones, video games, computer hardware and globally bad economy.
Thats what kills the scene, FINANCIALLY at least.
Wake up and open your eyes, maybe you might be able get a picture of whats happening.
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I agree spindrift,
for chance i dont whant make big money, only try to make & produce good music.
I have a lot of web links when is possible down load unreleased music from peak rec crew,,, i think is a very good way for exchange vibes & music.
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kallikantzaroy
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Posted : Jan 31, 2005 14:42
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My opinion,I download music so that I can have more stuff to listen to...Otherwise,where would I get my trance fix?radio?I don't really have that much money to spend on albuns so...
Still,I DO buy albuns when I have the opportunity.Albuns like Classical Mushroom or Rabbit From Darkside are so good that I believe it's a moral obligation to buy them...albuns that aren't so good...well,sorry ppl, but I guess my money isn't enough for everything.
That said,I believe trance is a musical genre that can benefit a lot from trading.I can just say that it would benefit more if it became more easily available |
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Isak
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 05:44
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Trold
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Posted : Feb 10, 2005 02:26
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On 2005-01-28 23:35, Spindrift wrote:
Trance happen to be less popular than 10 yrs ago, thats probably why sales in this scene has dropped by more like 90% than 10% as the case with mainstream.
I dont see that at all man.............,
never before have there been tens of thousands people going to the festivals around the globe.....
I feel the psy trance has never been bigger, but still the sales are dropping.....
I dont know if its playstation or mp3, but something is happening...........
Time of illusion.
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