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beru777
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 22:13
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Well I still don't see the connection between iTunes and psytrance, sorry ! Nobody compares Sony and Spirit Zone for example.
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The idea of selling music online is cool but how are the small artists (or even the bigger ones for that matter) surposed to make people aware of their webhops? They dont have money to promote themselves and I doubt that many if any will buy directly from them anyway!
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Clearly, we're not there yet. However if iTunes and others have demonstrated something it is that people are willing to buy MP3 if it's simple and cheap enough.
I think that once people are informed and get used to it, there will be no problem.
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2nd there's the whole deal about audio quality... I doubt you'll find many artists that want to use countless hours and investing money in making their sound as near perfect as possible just so they can release their music in a less sound quality as intended. After all artists want people to experience their music the right way - the way music is intended to be listened to.... In full quality - NOT as a compressed clone of less quality.
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Let the people who want to pay less for a bit less quality have their way ! People want MP3s, you're going to have to live with that !
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So as long the majority of people out there behind the screens still suffer from outdated isdn/adsl connections I seriously doubt you'll see many artists establish private webshops 
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Well artists, maybe not, but labels, why not... We've done it. There could be a portal announcing new releases on different labels... There are many possibilities, just waiting to be implemented ;-) !
And by the way, we give our artists 50%, that's 5€ for a 10-track album, so quite more than what anybody would get from a CD-sale.
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As I said the thought is ok - reality is very different !
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For now. But things can change quickly. P2P barely existed 4 years ago ! 10 years ago nobody had internet at home !
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Basilisk
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 23:23
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On 2004-02-03 21:41, beru777 wrote:
MP3 is a hard sell already, WAV at the price of a CD has virtually not a chance. |
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We need .WAV for less than the price of the CD  but I would only have interest for albums where I don't want all the tracks i.e. most compilations released these days.
About promotion... I think I'm out of touch, being over here in North America, but does the cost of print ads actually justify itself? An independant artist need only post on some mailing lists and message boards to get their promotional info out to thousands of trancers across the globe... these days the only purpose I see for a record label is to save time for some artists, to keep them in the studio (whereas they might otherwise be spending time making a web page, doing some kind of online marketing themselves, etc)...
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beru777
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 23:43
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On 2004-02-03 23:23, basilisk wrote:
We need .WAV for less than the price of the CD but I would only have interest for albums where I don't want all the tracks i.e. most compilations released these days.
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Ok, if you guys are such audio-quality freaks ;-) then what about 24 bit wav ? Many artists work in 24 bits, downgrading to 16 bits for CD... Any interest in that ?
About the purpose of the record label, well yes... Everything you have mentioned, that is promotion, including online promotion, building a website, finding (honest!) distributors, making contacts, having the CDs designed with covers & all, manufactured, shipped, seeing that you get paid... All this, when you add things up, first, take a lot of time, and second cost a lot of money !
So of course, an artist can do all that by himself. That's what Toï Doï is doing and it's been taking most of his time for the last months... that's the price of total independence, but it's worth it once you've had a few bad experiences with other record labels.
Beru
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Feb 4, 2004 00:00
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24 bits will happen when people will get used to the music dvd standard and it's assosiated depth in 3d sound. 16 bits is a bit shaky in representing 3 dimentions through 5 speakers.
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Mike A
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Posted : Feb 4, 2004 01:14
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On 2004-02-03 21:26, beru777 wrote:
(for example, in our shop, all the MP3s are encoded at 320kbps using fraunhoffer encoder, and directly from the original wavs, not from cd rips ! sorry for the plug ;-)
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fraunhoffer encoder sucks, it has been proven many times that LAME encoder is better.
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beru777
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Posted : Feb 4, 2004 16:27
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On 2004-02-04 01:14, Mike A wrote:
fraunhoffer encoder sucks, it has been proven many times that LAME encoder is better.
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Yeah, right. Fraunhofer is the codec used in every single piece of professional audio software (Sound Forge, Cubase, Cakewalk, can't find one that uses another encoder)... But beware, Mike A says "It sucks". What a ridiculous statement.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Feb 4, 2004 17:47
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There is an ongoing debate regarding which encoder is better so I wouldn't discard it so easily... after some exhausting research I switched to LAME some time ago, though I wouldn't claim to be an expert on the issue.
24-bit .WAV would be pretty cool actually... for specific tracks of course.
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beru777
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Posted : Feb 4, 2004 17:55
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Yes, LAME is a bit better, but it's made by hackers. If you're a professional, you use fraunhofer, which is an excellent encoder made by the guys who invented the MP3 format and is the encoder used in all professional audio software.
Saying "LAME is better" is OK, saying "Fraunhofer sucks" makes no sense.
We are currently looking into providing losslessly encoded wav (using wavpack or whatever free and efficient lossless compressor we can find). The files might not be much bigger than 320kbps MP3s after all. More info on that later !
Beru
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crovo
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Posted : Feb 4, 2004 19:33
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if you want mp3 of some artist that you like and have money to buy the original, buy it then rip it. you'll support the artist and have a high quality mp3.
if here have some good quality original cds to sell, not home-print covers, for sure that i'll buy it and make my ownz quality mp3s.
Obiit - Industrial Ambient
www.dead-tree.net/obiit
Dead Tree Productions - Obscure Psychedelic Trance Label
www.dead-tree.net
Uroboros Productions - Psychedelic Progressive/TechTrance Label
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