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kriz
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Posted : Apr 1, 2013 18:25
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1.- BM doesn't pay ANY artist (except for the burning structures).
2.- At the BM page you can find a list of all expenses the organization has, they have to a pay a lot of fees to authorities and logistics.
3.- Comercial? For real? They dont sell anything, you have to bring your food, they don't announce artist, they encourage people to bring their art...
You people are nuts...
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 5, 2013 10:32
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Burning man actually does give money to artists, but specifically not to electronic music. Their position is "there's already too much of it at BM", which is kind of true. There's only so much space for big soundsystems (they have to be at the edge of the city and pointed outward) so they only grant that space to camps who can do it on their own.
Read:http://www.burningman.com/whatisburningman/2000/00n_letter_sum_1.html specifically toward the end.
Also if you are curious where burning man ticket money goes:
http://financials.burningman.com/chart_2011.html |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 5, 2013 10:44
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Asking to get paid to DJ at burning man is ridiculous.
Burning man is a festival where everyone is expected to participate and express themselves. There is no "audience", there are no "spectators". If they gave everyone free entry who contributed creatively then they would make no money because EVERYONE contributes creatively, and most people do so in better ways than to stand in front of a crowd and press play on a CD player.
DJs at burning man are a dime a dozen. Seriously. Like 1 in 5 people there considers themself a DJ. Producers of electronic music are fairly numerous too. Good luck convincing them that you are somehow special. |
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 5, 2013 13:49
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Being asked to dj anywhere without pay (at least for expenses and "to do it for the scene" which in essence is synonymous with a big fuck you, we want your talent for free, sucker attitude) is totally ridiculous, if an artist gets requested, he or she should be paid, period.
Remember, I did not ask to play there, I was asked! That's a pretty big difference in my book...
And since BM does give $ to artists, they should give $ to all artists that get requested... not just non edm ones...
I am pretty sure that not all "dime a dozen" djs at BM get requested, so there is quite a difference eh!
btw. your list has some pretty interesting itemizations, such as payroll for example. Payroll to whom, how much? It's a whopping $7,103,000 we are talking about here 
Not to mention the $591,000 Honoraria provided to artists, why not pay me too???
Considering all that, I reckon that asking for flight $ and expenses which would have amounted to no more than $350 in exchange for my repeatedly requested art (instead of me shelling that $ out of my pocket) is anything but unfair, and definitely not ridiculous!
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saintcarl
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Posted : Apr 5, 2013 18:30
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get over your self man. you were asked to play for free and you said no thanks.
i had allot of fun back in the day blasting psy at burningman. also very re-memorable penta for breakfast. i can think of a bunch of cool psy artists that played there for free much less hundreds of dj's. i doubt goa gil was paid when he played there.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 6, 2013 00:41
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On 2013-04-05 13:49, Upavas wrote:
Remember, I did not ask to play there, I was asked! That's a pretty big difference in my book...
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Were you asked by the burning man organization itself or by a camp? It sounds like you were asked by a camp.
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Not to mention the $591,000 Honoraria provided to artists, why not pay me too???
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http://www.burningman.com/whatisburningman/2012/art_honor.html?yy=2012
"Every year Burning Man allocates a percentage of its revenue from ticket sales to funding select art projects that are collaborative, community-oriented and interactive."
DJing is none of those things. Look at the list of projects that were funded by the honoraria. Do you honestly think you can compare DJing--which again, is something that there is already PLENTY of at burning man--to any of those? Sounds like you've got a pretty inflated head man.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 6, 2013 00:48
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On 2013-04-05 13:49, Upavas wrote:
if an artist gets requested, he or she should be paid, period.
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DJing does not make you an artist any more than driving on roads makes you a civil engineer.
There are hordes of DJs on this planet and a very tiny minority turn it into an art form. I doubt that you are one of them but feel free to prove me wrong.
You're asking to get into a WEEK LONG event for free to play what? A two hour set? |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 6, 2013 00:53
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You also seem to be missing the fact that dancefloors are a side show at burning man. The sculpture, fire installations, interactive art, mutant vehicles. THOSE are the main attraction. |
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 6, 2013 01:03
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On 2013-04-05 18:30, saintcarl wrote:
get over your self man. you were asked to play for free and you said no thanks.
i had allot of fun back in the day blasting psy at burningman. also very re-memorable penta for breakfast. i can think of a bunch of cool psy artists that played there for free much less hundreds of dj's. i doubt goa gil was paid when he played there.
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It's not a problem until I get insulted in my own house because I say no! Then it becomes a problem!
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 6, 2013 01:08
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On 2013-04-05 13:49, Upavas wrote:
if an artist gets requested, he or she should be paid, period.
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DJing does not make you an artist any more than driving on roads makes you a civil engineer.
There are hordes of DJs on this planet and a very tiny minority turn it into an art form. I doubt that you are one of them but feel free to prove me wrong.
You're asking to get into a WEEK LONG event for free to play what? A two hour set?
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I was actually asked by three camps. Enjoy your doubts, they are your story, not mine... what makes you doubt my statement? Being pissed off at my direct answer maybe?
If I am not to say that I am an artist, three camps who were interested in having my music (ambient and dance music which would have amounted to a minimum of 4 sets btw.) there seem to tell me I am, who am I to tell them they are wrong? Just one thing, if you want what I do, and want it at your camp you should at least compensate me for my travels, especially since they knew I was broke at the time and could not have even afforded the trip, lest the ticket. And mind you, it was the organizer bitch who came and asked me as well, not just the camps, they sent her to me after I said no!
We completely disagree on the fundamentals. And if they had accepted my answer which was no, I would have been ok, but to then get insults hurled at me from that big as boss bitch in my own house, screw her... the energy was absolutely wrong!
As for saying which attraction is more of one and which isn't, it's like saying mine is longer than yours, total bullshit, and nothing but another form of comparison! And any form of comparison has nothing to do with art, it comes from the mind. No true art was ever created from the mind. It comes from your being, which is beyond the mind... and if you are an artist, you know that from experience,not from information and definitely not from comparison.
And furthermore, a good dj totally interacts with the crowd he plays for, he feels out which direction the people want to go to and then takes them there, no preplanned lists of tracks can do that! So in my book it is definitely interactive, not the way that you see it perhaps, but interactive nonetheless!
My experience with this whole thing led me to categorically boycott BM, because you cannot tell me that the 12 organizers don't make money! Fair and simple, they do!
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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http://upavas.com
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supergroover
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Posted : Apr 6, 2013 13:08
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I agree with Upavas that she should have respected his answer. If they really wanted him to play they could have paid for his ticket and transport. That happens often enough at BM for dj's/ lives.
If they don't feel like paying for him, then just respect him saying no. If it was a random festival everybody would agree that paying for your own transport and fee is ridiculous. It shouldnt be any different just because it is BM.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 6, 2013 20:21
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A DJ and good friend of mine played at burning man once. For free. (of course he was already there under his own power)
The japanese people whose rig it was were so impressed that they booked him to play in japan. 4 times counting now.
all because of a free show he did.
just saying 
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Posted : Apr 7, 2013 20:08
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LOL. Looks like they make A LOT of money...
Respect!
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Yidam
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Posted : Apr 8, 2013 16:51
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Burning Man is definitely where all the big boys come to blow up their cash without technically spending it.
But that is just one side of a very dynamic event, on the other end it's also where a lot of Americans (and others) purge their guilt about living their lives around making X$/year by coming up with some mind-blowing creations that defy commercial demand.
You did the right thing Upavas. The least they could have done is offer to take care of you at their camp, drive you to the festival, feed you, booze you, and all those things that don't involve a direct transaction of cash, because that's a strict no-no for burning man... yet you still need resources to live out there for those many days contrary to what everyone says. Also those who get paid to play are not supposed to talk about it.
All being said, glad I went though, one of those experiences that will live in my imagination forever.
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