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BROKEN TOY 2Hrs LIVE - BH - 12/03
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 02:17
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wait a second -- let's not beat around the bushes!
solution is on the way (above us)... I'm glad all parts can still co-exist "peacefully"... I say it's no one's fault and at the same time it's everyone's fault, including yours (who didnt go to the party)! I dont want to see no fighting around Brazil and also no MESS, so please organizers dont mess around because you dont know what you are messing within... peace out and respect full_on's signature!  
and dont let the bed bug bite!
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Lucas Aly
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 02:21
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And he has the "balls" to come here and write this ironic mesage, ubelievable...unpolite...unprofessional...
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CIANO (QUANTIKA RECORDS) wrote: In relation to LAP TOP, If you the computer in the soil left, if it wet or....HÁ,HÁ,HÁ... is not problem mine... the computer is its!
"Who I am, to place credibility in that you speak"
*YOU NOT MIXOU! E BAND 4 GAVE "SKIP"
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What the fuck man?! Even if it wasn't your problem, is this the right way of speaking to another person? Good lord...
/me in shock
ps: after reading all this crap i'm finished with msg's in this topic.
Peace.
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Hg
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 03:24
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 negative judgement should be the 1st one to be finished in this forum! just is it... all we can do if we want to represent the country is apologize the artist for his loss, asking for understanding becase the only truth I believe is that everyone wanted a good party to happen and if it did not happen the worst we can do is generate more turmoil. PEACE OUT and move on -- the good and the bad is valid and kept in history for further improvements and maybe a peaceful payback!
no one got stronger or fortified from this so justice is fairly moving towards equilibrium.
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Beto
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 06:51
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On 2004-03-18 23:07, Quantika_Records wrote:
***hey Beto,
On our colloquy of yesterday, if the computer ruined, I want to inside see here in isratrance the note of the concert 24-hour, and a fiche technique, if it was drunk that lap caused the damage in its lap top!
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When Jimmy finished to reapair or buy another one you can be sure that I will show you, buddy.
Why you think he used my lap top at Blumenau big dude ?
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shamamix
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 08:14
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Hi Guys,
I don't like to write in forums, specially when i know that this will never get in a point that all of us gonna agree. But this time, i felt that i have to tell what i think about all the bullshits and judjment that a lot of people is saying, because i'm a kind of responsible of all that, i made the connection Jimmy(Broken) and Ciano, and just yesterday i discovered what was going on, i saw here in isratrance and i felt really bad with all that, but i decided to keep quiet and talk with both before come here and give my opinion.
First of all, "shits happen" and it's all the time, everybody has good moments and bad moments, you know that, karma law! if this thing happened with Ciano and Jimmy was to they xperience the situation, learn about and try to don't make a mistake again, unfortanelly seens like both didn't get all the lession. But i'm sure they learn a little bit in this "life class", Jimmy now is going to start to practice beat mix and dj skills... for a situation like that, and propably he will try to save in a better place his lap top next time that he will play(he said that was in the table and Ciano said that he left in the floor and he asked if Jimmy would like to put in somewhere safed than the floor, whatever both aren't a good place to leave when you will not be near, specially in Brazil, i know 1 case that someone stole an "ozone" behind the dj table). And i hope Jimmy will never again write in an open forum, that some producer is a liar and to nobody play again to this guys and all that..., i told Jimmy that he didn't have no profissionalism in this act. This should be sold in PVT, things like that just mess up more what is already fucked, as you are seeing. A conversation would sold things better, anyway...
I called Ciano to listen his version of that and he was really sad about all, and as he never get in here and even in the net, he just know what was going on here, yesterday. He made some mistakes too of course, but his biggest mistake wasn't pay the US$500,00 that he was suposed to. Because he payed half of that 250, his tickect to BH plus R$300,00 for the flight back. I'm not defendind nobody, what i'm saying here i wrote to Jimmy before, and said to him that I wouldn't pay R$2000,00(about the same of all that) for an 1 hour of a not so good dj set neither(i had other friend over there that told me today, and even Jimmy said that he wasn't a dj, and it's even nice that he decide to play 1 hour to show some of his work, but he shouldn't ask for the whole money, he should know that he doesn't deserve and that's it. Everybody would get "happy"). I wanna know of all the producers that is saying that Ciano did wrong, and they are good organizers and pays dj's and projects always everything$, if they contract someone to do a 2h live act and some shit happen(i can give thousands example that i had seen in my "trance life") and the guy made just a 1 hour of a dj set without mix(Ciano told me that, but i don't know, because Jimmy said that the "cue" was fucked, but if he wasn't mixing he doesn't need the "cue", anyway...) and had one song with "skip"(3 people told me that), so producers would you pay all that money and say "Hey dude, thanxs, come back any time!"? I'm sure if it was some brazilian project a lot of u would say "fuck off, it's not my fault". Come on be honnest, guys! A lot of producers suck up the Gringo's project.
The only dj that i would pay that $ would be Dimitri, or depending of the party Shane Goby, but i would really think about spend R$2000,00 with a dj set, and no way could be 1 hour. I know 1000 situation that something like that happen and the producer didn't pay even half,(But i preffer "ñ dar nome aos bois(ou seria, aos boys)]. It's easy to say, when we are behind the keyboard, but the reality is diferent.
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shamamix
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 08:17
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But Ciano made some mistakes too, the biggest one was to come here and say more shits, i told him "leave like this, i gonna talk with Jimmy and try to sold it out" and said that he should try to defend himself here, just explain as a professional that he payed R$1250,00, that he sent someone to the airport, he made a reservation, but as they didn't check in 2h before or confirmed, they missed that, whatever i told him to write without ofense nobody and "1 erro ñ justifica o outro". And even with his "terrible english"(nobody has to know how to speak) ofended Jimmy as Jimmy ofendeded him. But he proplably after read all that, must got really upset and pissed with some fake friends and with Jimmy's msg, since when i talked if him, he hadn't read the topic, and after read did a big stupid thing too. Another mistake, it was that he made just 1 week divulgation, but he told me 2 weeks before the party that he was expecting 300 payers and 250 it's not so different. But i'm sure he had money to pay Jimmy, and if he did live, he would, but he was a big fan of Broken Toy and it has a long time that he really wanted to bring to BH. Another big mistake, it was to put this guy Paulo G to play( i don't know you Paulo, and even want to, after that, but i gonna tell you that u lost a friend m8, Ciano!!! 2 weeks ago, i made a private in a big boat in Rio one day before the Fat Boy Slim, i invited really good dj's and even Jimmy to do a live(but he was booked), the funny thing is when i invited Ciano to play, he asked me if i want someone else to play, and i said"maybe", and he suggest you saying that you were a nice guy, brought some new tracks from England and was needing some place to show your work, but thank God, he also told me about Eternox project and i decided to invited them to check it out their live, and i made 3 really nice friends and listened strong and well made tracks, and i'm sure any of them would come here to say "Booooo" to Ciano, because beside they like him or not, they respect him and all of you from BH should do the same, and even here in Rio or in a lot of cities in Brazil Ciano is one of the most respected guy from BH trance scene and even brazilian, he started with a few people the scene in BH, he made the 1st festival em Itamonte with Gui, Amitem and some other guys, he was in the organization of all Earthdance's in Ipoema, he even got arrested(drugs), and didn't tell who was dealling too, and i can give a lot of other examples, but things never go 100% right at all this parties and this is normal. But if you say here your name, everybody is going to ask "Paulo whooo???" and maybe they gonna give a lot of adjectives for your "G", but i preffer don't tell you, and why you say that you are from Ibiza, where's your brazilian proud? Or maybe over there Banzi knows who is "Paulo G"? Please m8, i don't want to start another discussion with you, u don't have to proof me anything, now i know what kind u are, but you made a mistake with Ciano, because he didn't say that he would pay you, i know because he even said that to me that he couldn't pay my tickect to i play in the party for free, and i'm sure he wouldn't promisse you, but if he had made money he problably would give u some. So u should to appologize with him, and maybe he will accept, because he HAVE a good heart, but "respeito é pra quem tem", and everybody that know him as a person, knows that he is a nice guy, and Marcelinha, i don't know you neither and i thought you were a nice person too, but you show me that i was wrong, you know Ciano well and u shouldn't say that he doesn't have a good heart, specially just because he didn't go with Jimmy to the airport, he was making the party and he didn't had time even to play at his party, which main producer can leave the party to take someone to the airport? It's insane imagine in a party with 5 foreing atraction, Ciano sent someone to the airport with him, and that's okay, he didn't put him in a taxi and said "Hasta la vista, baby"! And by the way Marcelinha, the party that you are saying that YOU payed everybody and didn't get anything,"that was the best in BH", Ciano was the producer as far as i know, if we are talking about the same party, Silicon Sound? Anyway, i hope some day you appologize with him too, he used to like u too and i know. don't get mad with me, u and Paulo, but this things make me crazy, i didn't want talk about, but this injustice that people are making with him is not right, so i couldn't be quiet. I think more people that knows him well or it was there and saw that wasn't his fault that the cpu didn't work should say about it, or everybody is gonna to think that he is that GUY tatooed in his back. I' not saying that he deserve the Nobel of Peace, he is sometimes very "enrolado"(not with $), he is a little bit disorgarnized with his personal life, but come on a lot of us know that he is very funny and transparent person, he is what he is, he doesn't pretend to like someone and talk shit in the back, "enfim Ciano é um figuraça, e rara!". And I don't know Jimmy so well,but i really think that he is a nice guy too, but both got a little bit crazy with this situation.
I would like to say more things about what i think about some people that wrote here, but i prefer leave like that, and i talked too much already, this is almost a book. But before say good bye, i would like to say to the guys from BH to calm down a little bit, you have a great scene going on, a lot of people in the parties(i know that is not the same people that used to go 4 years ago, but this is normal, all cities happened that, the scene get fresh every year, but the "mineiros" vibe is always xcellent), gr8 atractions, beautifull girls, good dj's and projects, but at the same time has a lot of "crews" talking shit about others, a lot of egotrips chalenge what party is the best, trying to "boicote"(ridículo isso) other parties and a lot of fakeness going on with this guys, more than anywhere else. You should to union yourselfs more n' more, if you do that, you gonna have one of the best scenes in the world, this is a view from someone that is looking from outside and really want that your scene "gire bonito". Remember the biggest teach of Mayan Calendar, "Todos somos um".(we are all, just one) Best wishes for all! Ciao, Marcelo!
PLEASE LET'S NOT TAKE THIS AS LONG AS THIS GOT! PEACE FOR ALL!
ONE BLOOD, ONE LOVE, ONE PEOPLE! US!
AGAIN- "shits happen", and it can happens all the time, so let's not judge nobody parties, each one of us has our process of evolution and the life is teaching us.
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marcelinha
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 18:04
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Shamanix...
Listen, Ciano called me yesterday very sad and told me what is going on.
I gave my opinion when the people wrote here what happened, i also told this to him. I was wrong, yes, coz i made a comment whithout know the true history.
You think what u want about me, i don`t care. I made a mistake and i did ask sorry for the right person.
Ohhh...The party with Silicon Sound was Ciano`s?!! Come on...give me a break!!!
U don`t know about ANYTHING dude, ask anyone, even Johaness, even Ciano (i am sure he won`t tell u he was the organizer since he was just helping me on the production).
I don`t know you, but take it easy dude, and stop talking bullshit about facts and people u don`t know.
So, that`s it!!!
Peace.
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paulo gio
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 18:11
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Shamanix, mate. I would say you are right if we weren't talking about Ciano's party! But unfortunately, we are! He made mistakes and we are talking about his mistakes. About the Ibiza thing, I'm Brazilian, YES! Mineiro de coração! But I'm also co-organizer and resident of the only official Psy-Trance party in Ibiza, the Tribe of Frog, which happens "every" week on the Europen summer!! I dont have a problem with my nationality, u can ask anyone who knows me, dude. But what you are saying is wrong, because I didn't really set up a fee with Ciano, but he said to me: If u come, I will give u something.... where is it? If u dont know me mate, too bad for you..... But I dont play fuckin MP3 like many we know, so it means that I buy my fuckin music. Im sorry if u are sad for Ciano, but he is wrong, and nothing can change that now! I do not disagree with you when you say Ciano is a good guy, with a good heart, because he is, but his work as a event producer.......No way!
Shit happened with me once.....once is enough! But im not the first and Broken Toy is not gonna be the last! U think we should let the shit happen again? And please, stop talking bullshit about people who you dont even know!
Ah, and by the way, G stands for GIO, which is my last name. Said!
And if u want see quality events, check these mate:
http://www.connectionbh.cjb.net
http://www.cachoeiraaltafestival.com.br
Enzyme http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/30315/forum/27
Spectral Moon http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/30185/forum/27
I also think we should leave this topic aside and look forward....it wont take us anywhere...... Said!
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paulo gio
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 18:47
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Ciano, please note: Nothing personal!!
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shamamix
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 23:07
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All right Marcelinha and Paulo,
I'm glad that both of you change a little bit your points againts Ciano, we know that he is a nice Motherfucker, but i said that he is a really bit disorganized with his personal life and maybe this is why he always try to sold things with the "brazilian way of life", "na base do jeitinho", and sometimes things get wrong doing that, whatever...
Marcelinha, really sorry if Ciano wasn't one of the organizers on this "Silicon" party, but he told me in Earthdance that HE was making the party with some people, he even told me the price for the gig. And told me that this was a party that it would be payed with the governor's money(com alguma captação de leis de incentivos fiscais), do u confirmed that? So sorry if he told me that, and them i thought that it was his party too. U can ask him with he didn't. And maybe this is one of his bad quality, "to come(gozar) with someones dick"(it's funny to write this in english). And it's nice to know that u apologized to him, i know that u don't give a shit 4 what i think, but i'm happy to know that you did that, and don't get a bad view of me and i hope if one day we meet each other, this will not be a problem, peace and keep kool!
Paulo, Ciano told me and wrote here that he didn't promise to pay u, and i believe that... Because he wasn't expecting too many people, and said to me that he couldn't pay my tickect to play, anyway,... If u were his friend or even had a good heart too, u would see his situation, and say "All right man, i saw that u didn't make a lot of money, leave for next time", and that is it, Ciano did this already to me, and i'm sure he would do with u. And i don't know u, but seens that u don't need as much as him, u have your oficial party in Ibiza and play just wave tracks(this u have to understand, that everybody would like to do, but 90% of the brazilian dj's doesn't get enought $ to have a whole case with original albuns, i do play some MP3 good quality tracks, just half of my case is wave and most of that i get sended from AfroGalactic Rec.(label that i represent here in Brazil) and lot of things i recieve with some friend here and in the net. Dj's here that buy just original albuns, or they have a good $ situation or they are top dj's. Nobody choose MP3 track, because is good, we know that is a fuck compressed file, so... And if u are in Brazil, u are seen how dificult is a dj life here, how can we pay R$60,00 in a cd? Dj for me is a hobby, i'm professional for sure, but that's not my profession, i work with cinema, sound desinging and mixing(pro tools), if i was depending to live from my dj money i was fucked,...
U keep saying that Ciano was wrong to don't pay US$500, but would pay all that in your Ibiza's oficial party, if someone didn't live and after that didn't make a good dj set? I doubt! And if shit happened with u once, how can u think never is going to happen a bad thing with u again, did u get in SANSARA? Shits happens all the time m8, we can't control the universe law. What do u think Ciano should have, an extra computer? U said "... if u want see quality events, check these mate:", u are talking about some parties that even happened yet, and I hope everything goes so well in this parties, but one shit can happen, who knows? And i remenber that before this Ciano's party, u wrote on the beginer of this topic, that it would be a really nice party, funny hein? So this is what i'm talking about the scene in BH, a lot of good organizers talking bad things about others crews. If someone do your work quiet, would be much better, a lot of this guys know how to do a good job.
You both said to me "stop talking bullshit of people that u don't know", i just said about Ciano and Jimmy situation, because i felt a kind of responsable. And said about you two, because i heard already Ciano saying to me that you played all right and were nice guys, and one of u said that he doens't have a good heart and the other said "booo" to him. I couldn't be quiet, this is injustice! But now that Marcelinha apologized to him(i'm sure he forgived her), i feel better with that and Paulo should do the same. About Marcelinha's party i said sorry already to her, Ciano told me that it was his. And had some other people that i would like to say some things, but i preffered to keep quiet.
I hope we get in 1 point here definitely, Ciano shouldn't pay all the money. And if some producer think that he should, i want that he write his name here and promisse that always he will pay everything to the dj, doesn't matter what happened!
Let's all stop to say bullshit here, even me, because whatever we write here is going to be bullshit, in one month nobody will remenber what we wrote or disagreed. Ciao, and best wishes to the BH parties this weekend. Marcelo!
P.S: This weekend is going to happen a lot of peace manifestation in the world, one in Mexico will have 8000 drums, and a lot of others cerimonians are going on around the world even Brazil , it will be an important date for the Pacha Mama(Mother Earth) cure, the minimum that we should do, it's don't "fight" for stupid things. If you wana check some info about this cerimonians: http://www.tribodaterra.org/oitomil.htm
PEACE 4 ALL!
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Beto
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 01:00
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Just to make things clear here. Ciano payed only 46,67 % of his cache before be party. |
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 02:59
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/vote
Funniest topic of the year!!!
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Broken Toy
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 03:54
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Hey,
I never expeced this topic to blow up like this. I think it was wrong of me to go public with this because I never knew it would cause so much trouble.
I dont want to hurt anybody elses` business. Maybe the situation all makes sense to Ciano and he also thinks he is right.
I dont think I should be paid the full fee at all - I did a bad dj set instead of a live and that doesnt mean I should get full fee. Its a bad situation for all and I`m sorry any of it happened in the first place.
But I should have been more responsible in many respects - especially with throwing harsh words at the promoters in "public " like this. So I do regret that...
Hopefully this is the end of all this...
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NeutroN
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 17:12
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I blame people who bring artists and book them 9278394780572 parties to play and expect nothing to go wrong trusting people they never met. next time bring an artists book him for a couple or a few parties with people that you trust and everything will be fine, and i bet everyone will be happy.
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 17:28
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Broken Toy:
I never expeced this topic to blow up like this. I think it was wrong of me to go public with this because I never knew it would cause so much trouble.
... ok guys, that´s enough talking about this, the parts envolved are already solving the problem, everybody left your opinons and that´s no reason for more discussion about this topic, plz.
...peace, respect and be professional, that´s all!!!
big boom to all..................;
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