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moki
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 00:59
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moki
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 01:06
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some quotes from above. may be it would be some of you here who like me are in a period of forgetting a big love that will never happen and fall into broderline syndroms because of it. take care.
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| But this center is a reflected center. It is not his real being. He does not know who he is; he simply knows what others think about him. And this is the ego: the reflection, what others think. If nobody thinks that he is of any use, nobody appreciates him, nobody smiles, then too an ego is born: an ill ego; sad, rejected, like a wound; feeling inferior, worthless. This too is the ego. This too is a reflection.
Ego is a need; it is a social need, it is a social by-product. The society means all that is around you - not you, but all that is around you. All, minus you, is the society. And everybody reflects. You will go to school and the teacher will reflect who you are. You will be in friendship with other children and they will reflect who you are. By and by, everybody is adding to your ego, and everybody is trying to modify it in such a way that you don't become a problem to the society.
So you have two centers. One center you come with, which is given by existence itself. That is the self. And the other center, which is created by the society, is the ego. It is a false thing - and it is a very great trick. Through the ego the society is controlling you. You have to behave in a certain way, because only then does the society appreciate you. You have to walk in a certain way; you have to laugh in a certain way; you have to follow certain manners, a morality, a code. Only then will the society appreciate you, and if it doesn't, you ego will be shaken. And when the ego is shaken, you don't know where you are, who you are.
The others have given you the idea.
That idea is the ego.
Try to understand it as deeply as possible, because this has to be thrown. And unless you throw it you will never be able to attain to the self. Because you are addicted to the center, you cannot move, and you cannot look at the self.
And remember, there is going to be an interim period, an interval, when the ego will be shattered, when you will not know who you are, when you will not know where you are going, when all boundaries will melt.
You will simply be confused, a chaos.
Because of this chaos, you are afraid to lose the ego. But it has to be so. One has to pass through the chaos before one attains to the real center.
And if you are daring, the period will be small.
When you don't have a real center, how can you be an individual?
The ego is not individual. Ego is a social phenomenon - it is society, its not you. But it gives you a function in the society, a hierarchy in the society. And if you remain satisfied with it, you will miss the whole opportunity of finding the self.
And that's why you are so miserable.
With a plastic life, how can you be happy?
With a false life, how can you be ecstatic and blissful? And then this ego creates many miseries, millions of them.
You cannot see, because it is your own darkness. You are attuned to it.
Have you ever noticed that all types of miseries enter through the ego? It cannot make you blissful; it can only make you miserable.
Ego is hell.
Buddha sitting under his bodhi tree...if the whole world suddenly disappears, will it make any difference to Buddha? -none. It will not make any difference at all. If the whole world disappears, it will not make any difference because he has attained to the center.
But you, if the wife escapes, divorces you, goes to somebody else, you are completely shattered - because she had been paying attention to you, caring, loving, moving around you, helping you to feel that you were somebody. Your whole empire is lost, you are simply shattered. You start thinking about suicide. Why? Why, if a wife leaves you, should you commit suicide? Why, if a husband leaves you, should you commit suicide? Because you don't have any center of your own. The wife was giving you the center; the husband was giving you the center.
This is how people exist. This is how people become dependent on others. It is a deep slavery. Ego HAS to be a slave. It depends on others. And only a person who has no ego is for the first time a master; he is no longer a slave. Try to understand this.
Buddha sitting under his bodhi tree...if the whole world suddenly disappears, will it make any difference to Buddha? -none. It will not make any difference at all. If the whole world disappears, it will not make any difference because he has attained to the center.
But you, if the wife escapes, divorces you, goes to somebody else, you are completely shattered - because she had been paying attention to you, caring, loving, moving around you, helping you to feel that you were somebody. Your whole empire is lost, you are simply shattered. You start thinking about suicide. Why? Why, if a wife leaves you, should you commit suicide? Why, if a husband leaves you, should you commit suicide? Because you don't have any center of your own. The wife was giving you the center; the husband was giving you the center.
This is how people exist. This is how people become dependent on others. It is a deep slavery. Ego HAS to be a slave. It depends on others. And only a person who has no ego is for the first time a master; he is no longer a slave. Try to understand this.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 02:58
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On 2009-12-07 00:59, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
because this is exactly what the ego is - a reflection of what others think. check this:
http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm
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Great! Thanks a lot Moki!
This thread turned out to become more than i ever could imagine..
I do believe that love can make us crazy, and i do believe that if people never take care of their broken hearts(and egos) and just keep on moving it will explode like a bomb someday...
Xolvexs - i think Mokis post answer your question, but of course you are correct and if one can reach that point its all good!
But doing harm to others and lie to them and you will of course get a reaction and what they think of you will not be nice...
of course you can just not care what they think and keep on being a asshole. But you are still a asshole.. even if you dont care what they think.
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Ajagari
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 23:42
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Thanks for this enlightening link Moki! It's hard for the ego to accept, but still so true that it speaks to the soul (the self) ! |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 8, 2009 04:40
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On 2009-12-07 23:42, Ajagari wrote:
Thanks for this enlightening link Moki! It's hard for the ego to accept, but still so true that it speaks to the soul (the self) !
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The ego speaks to the soul?
what am i missing out...
yes very good link, it opened my mind and even made me handle a hard situation today, just by observing it... sometimes ego seems very strong..
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Posted : Dec 8, 2009 14:08
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lol...no, the text speaks to the soul, but is hard for the ego to accept! |
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moki
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Posted : May 8, 2010 20:05
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is there actually a " right medicamentation" for freaks, who are supposed to have borderline??
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Freeflow
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Posted : May 10, 2010 00:44
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Hi there!
Recently i discovered that the criteria for borderline is almost the same as for Adhd/Mbd! The Social aspect of having Adhd/mbd can sometimes look like the borderline aspects.
This is where Brain neurology and Freudian psychiatry(?) are not agreed...
The medication can be not to use any drugs at all or to use drugs, its is hard to say, but most of the time people with anger problems feel much better when they use nicotine or cannabis and some with adhd get more calm of amphetamine. A very important aspect is also physical training which most of the time is the best medicine, its a good way to burn energies that can be annoying for your psyche.
Still there are so many herbs in the nature and all with different side-effects so i think its a big area for research of good medication, And not to forget maybe its a psychosocial thing and lots of the problems is societys fault...
I think in many cases that dealing with confidence and self esteem and such things can cure alot of problems, also discipline and creating new patterns in the mind can solve many of the problems....
I think we really need to rethink and also on the behalf of women who seem to get this label when the problem can be something completely different, For example Sorrow can make us react very strange and sorrow of broken hearth,....
Sorrow can sometimes be the root to lots of problems, and lots of society dont teach how to handle sorrow...
I could go on with lots of ideas, But the most important is to work on feeling as good as possible,
This is like a life philosophy and how you reach harmony is a art, how you solve conflicts and feel good in your relations to others...
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Xolvexs
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Posted : May 10, 2010 18:48
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moki
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Posted : May 11, 2010 12:33
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| I think we really need to rethink and also on the behalf of women who seem to get this label when the problem can be something completely different, For example Sorrow can make us react very strange and sorrow of broken hearth,.... |
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hey this is really great and very nice and sweet of you to say freeflow!! i thank you on behalf of women!
as far as the self confidence is concerned - well, it is obviously not exactly the easiest thing to switch between extreme moods and estimations about the people around. the borderline flash is supposed to be too hard to controll - it is like a really good trance state - you never know what to expect out of your mood and visions. in a borderline flash you lose every ground under your feet. even yourself in extrem cases.
and i believe, the best thing to do is to define boundaries and to communicate them to the people around. if those people wanna have anything to do with a "borderliner" or are interested in any interaction with him, then they would try to respect these boundaries. it is the only way to prevent the borderline flash.
and they will know that beyond the boundaries, there is absolutely no guarantee any more for anything - the person with borderline is simply not ancored and not fit into a stable perception of reality when the flash comes. so anything is possible beyond the boundary.
so it is actually wise to define boundaries. just to say, hey beyond the boundary xyz ( i guess borderliner know their boundaries better than anything else they know in this universe) , so beyond xyz i unfortunately cannot guarantee anything . i can become really bad and evil in a borderline flash without even wanting to be so.
so if the surroundings are not ready to respect your boundaries, then you better go. because a borderline flash can be really very powerful and dangerous and it takes loads of energy to calm down.
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Xamanist
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Posted : May 12, 2010 19:53
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Fantastic topic and discussion, thanks to all for your amazing input!
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Borderline is something real. I don't care what others think about Western culture, I care about people. Those with even milder BPD can be quite harmful to those close to them. They have identity problems that seriously hindrances their ability to live a fulfilled life. Without help they become engaged in dangerous activities, abuse drugs and can even commit a suicide. It's not a label to lock "wilder" population. Those people seriously suffer and others suffer with them. When you are borderline, you have a huge difficulty with achieving anything in your life. I don't care if this person goes to shaman, yogi or psychiatrist. He needs help and if he can get it, then he should ask for it. You have bad shamans as well as bad psychiatrists but it doesn't mean that there are no people with good will and means to help those suffering from personality disorders. If it don't hindrances your life, then you don't need help. Ignoring this problem won't solve anything. I'm living in Western culture and I must deal with Western thinking and Western people. How can I run away from it in a globalized world? For me, there are no such things as systems or cultures, there are only people. Real things, not something imagined and written on paper. |
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Pauldo
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 12:31
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On 2009-10-01 03:17:25, Freeflow wrote:
Hello isratrancers!
I thought this could be an interesting topic to discuss, something tells me that this scene has a lot of this problematics
I know that more women than men has this disorder! 2-4 times more usual for women than men.
So do you have it? do you think we all have a little glimps of it, could there be maybe a big number of people who goes around with this problem without really knowing and just feel very lost... and having big problems in their life.
What can we do to help!?
So the word is free!
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I love my disorders, wearing my Bi-polar tshirt now, gotta have fun with it. I've been generally happy with any heads meds I take. I have yet to meet a psychiatrist that I've liked, so quick to medicate, I always do my own research before taking anything a psych prescribes. Some psych meds are still pretty crude in how they work but getting better. Many people have been greatly helped by meds.
I also love therapy. Talk therapy has been shown to be just as effective as meds for some people. I think just about everybody would benefit from an intense and honest examination of one's self.
I would rather rely on the tons of scholarly and scientific work that comprises modern psychiatry and psychology instead of a shaman. Don't forget, there's a little bit of sham in every shaman! |
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moki
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Posted : Jun 10, 2011 16:55
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does this mean that if a person that has achieved something in his life, is not a dangerous psychopathic borderline?  or would it be more right to say:
1. not everyone who has borderline, achieves nothing in life
2. not everyone who achieves nothing in life is a borderliner.
3. we neither know what is " to achive something in life" nor what is a "borderliner".
this is very simililar like the well known definition " esoteric jerk". i was reading about it right now in another trance forum, that i truely cant look at any more , because i dont understand how people can have that kind of surface ideas of reality. how can anyone be an esoteric jerk who has a doctor degree in natural science???? who is the one to judge - freaks who didnot even make to the simplest scientific degree stomp the name esoteric jerk to others who have sudied natural phenomenon for years and years. ( in this case rupert sheldrake).
same with borderline. i started to believe few months ago that i might have it ( or was it some weeks) and more important that i need to finally meet a psychiatrist and talk about it. it is a free of charge service by the insurance so i thought, well, i could may be try and see what they diagnose. but i searched a lot, before a very good friend of mine who studies psychology connected me to a very good friend of her who is psychotherapist. i told her about my out of body experiences and that i dont intend to go to a mental institution, even if it is five stars hotel in the mountains bavaria or in the italian alps. she said, dont worry, i would take the case.
at the end of the day, she doesnt diagnose borderline. how can you diagnose borderline if a person actually achieves more than those who call her that?? not that easy. besides. even if you do. borderline, she told me, is diagnosed if there is no other thing to diagnose. i had some traumatic experience with violence in my life and could have millionds of other things anyway.
why should actually a person be dangerous to a society that made this person to be what it is?
and it is quite the same old shit with the esoteric jerks too. but i promised to myself not to read that much in trance forums any more. i expect too much from them and feel too much dissappointment after that because of the simple surface thinking that is usually found there. not isratrance anyway. i dont expect so mcuh from isratrance, which is sometimes a good thing.
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