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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 18, 2010 20:09
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Although my acumen lies in ambient, lounge and other sub genres of downtempo, but I started out with goa a decade ago. Usually people prefer to choose higher BPM as they grow old but I went against the flow. To some extent I agree with 'bukboy', but there is no doubt that an authentic good psychedelic is one of the toughest genre and it still amuses me. People like Simon Posford and Erez & Duvdev are performing neat. I sometimes, for a change, indulge in those surreal psy melodies still. But this stream of music has badly been tainted with novice approach.
Well bukboy, music is what a good musician would live. If there is a majority of those who dont know this art of living, then it doesnt mean that true artists should either commit suicide or leave the arena.
And also, no art must be measured by the failures of those who are digging on the surface. Innovation can be done on any level and in any genre. You mentioned jazz. Not everyone who contemplates jazz and plays an instrument, can be Ray. My point is that you cant start hating jazz because populance feel like making it big in the genre when they dont have enough air to blow a trumpet or sax.
I dont know why but surprisingly many people believe that democratization of electronic music means even a tone deaf can be earning a hell outta home studio. And thats a kind of lot that I see in abundance these days. And that is where I agree with you, bukboy. But, bukboy, I do not say that Brian Eno has grown old and bald & days of ambient music are history. Just consider how many unknown artists from all around are coming up with drone music that doesnt mean shit. But an intelligent would choose not to eat that shit. Friend, none of us make good music, we all strive not to make a bad one. And in the process we all are learning something new. Not everyone can make masterpieces but some of us can try to create something beautiful and new and amazingly innovative. And for that we have chosen sound.
And yes; for the books I'll consider reading 'Sound Synthesis and Sampling' by Martin Russ, if I'm in a budding phase of synthesis.
And thereafter I'll graduate to,
'Analysis, Synthesis, and Perception of Musical Sounds: The Sound of Music (Modern Acoustics and Signal Processing)' by James W. Beauchamp
Also,
'The S.M.A.R.T. Guide to Mixing and Mastering Audio Recordings' by Bill Gibson.
I also refer to Bob Katz and documents of Berkley University - which one can dig online. |
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 18, 2010 20:43
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Ah yes, bukboy. As far as monatory issue goes,
I'll be damned if someone will tell me the genre which can mint fresh dollars for me, even if I create some nonsensical, novice blend of stupidly cliche sounds. So, friend, same concept applies to psytrance. Anyway Infected mushroom bought the costliest reverb (lexicon) through psy. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 18, 2010 22:28
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Auralserenity - Right on brother.  Except the bit about Simon Posford. (not hallucinogen though, that rocks) I can't believe how faggy and ethnic shpongle is. I mean who cares about ethnic cultures right? they have less weapons which means they cant defend themselves which means they are less evolved and statistically will become either assimilated or annihilated by the civilisations with more degrees of freedom to exert their will.
I mean stop living in the past. Its so passe.
Generally - I believe psy was a great inspirational idea with so much raw potential but .. was so loved that it became smothered into a bloody pulp Elmira style because of hippy love and tolerance.
I believe love and tolerance of bad artists is a really really very very bad thing that destroys quality and values and needs to be brought to the attention of millions of naive and impressionable psy junkies.
( Before they settle for worse music to get zonked to. ) Ubuntu community values destroy any will to excel over and above your neighbour (and lets face it, this technique has been pretty useful for progressing civilisation).
I want people to forget this bad "love" spell, and embrace the "terminate with extreme prejudice" principle for really mediocre music that gluts most parties, and relish in the schadenfreude of it. That's a REAL human emotion, not made up by some socialist faggy punk with delusions of grandeur. I mean seriously, does anyone actually think they are good enough to question 4 Billion years of evolution generally and the few million years of existence and stability of "humanity" in feudal power hierarchies? I mean hippies - get over yourself and the magical thinking philosophy behind it and embrace your whole nature, not just the eclectic cherry picked crap, but the good stuff like taking the other societies' stuff coz yours has nowhere to grow, with sticks and stones and teeth if you have to.
P.S. so do you believe psy has its best days ahead? Its on the right road?
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 06:27
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Whoa! For Simon Posford, I must agree that he's an ancient, but as I told you earlier I started out with psy a decade ago and then switched, or maybe progressed to ambient. 'Space Pussy' by Simon was an anthem those days. And to tell you the truth I was never a club goer. I would have chose to stick with psy but those clean leisurely trips on Low BPM, on Baga Beach or on my bed, with my headphones seducing me to magic, were just too captivating. I found downtempo as avant garde of electronica. Hence my thoughts on psy could be a bit ancient.
Bukboy, now you tell me this, if infected comes up with another masterpiece like 'deeply disturbed', would you refuse to buy that, because psytrance had long ago come of age. I understand that its been too goddamn monotonous that pounding kicks, stuttering hats and the speed of 146 BPM has become boring, but that is only because, my dear musician, there are just too many pirates of the vst's, and producers who cant control there compressors, and musicians who lack proper education in music, and us- who tell them what to read to find a secret recipe so that every midi controller owner in the world can become godfather of trance. (sigh) I love music in its totality. Cant say a couple of genre are good and other must rot in music stores. There are excellent and good and bad and ugly and pathetic and disgusting, all found in all genres. If I feel like mixing on around 146 BPM after mastering a lot many 110 BPM, I wont shy away. Its just the matter of state of mind, and that is exactly what the music seems like to me.
There might be a set of chords in psytrance somewhere that you must have danced on, or maybe went nuts over it, or maybe you craved to recreate, sometime in past. And those very same set of chords ungracefully fails to stir your imagination anymore, or for worse, now they make you feel pansy and childlike. But, think bukboy, would you be able to paint an inspiring portrait if you never learn how to draw an apple when you were starting out. I learned a lot from psy and will continue implementing the same into my work.
Music fad is like any other. Some astoundingly brilliant might evolve to set the current in a new direction and the very genre that was fading out, might fade in again.
Bukboy, I was simply amazed by the fact that someone mentioned learning jazz improvisation on a psytrance thread, and shunned the entire genre of psy 'cause few have a misconception of producing sounds through some secret trick
which might make them look like genius. I've learned this through the hard way, and still not giving up. Because I love music and will continue to, even if it gives me back nothing at all.
There is NO easy way out. |
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 06:51
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Did Kraftwerk knew that electronic music is going to be one of the most radical and democratised form in coming future? I think they did have doubts upon it. Point is that when they were starting out with this innovative form in those days, their world could have fallen apart and they would have faded in time without even reaching the record store after their first mistake of an album. But that fear of loss did not discourage them. They gave something new and cultish, thus were embraced by us. No genre ends with an abrupt defamation. Lets wait earnestly and someone might get inspired in a pretty abstract manner and may come up with a new form of psy. Maybe someone from this forum might do that.
And in the meantime we must continue striving not to produce a bad symphony.
I dont listen to shpongle, anyhow. Posford seemed more natural in hallucinogen. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 08:26
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auralserenity -
Trouble with understanding music, is that it becomes demystified and predictable. I can listen to a piece and know what the intention behind a particular phrase is in the small and big picture. So much so that its all boring and predictable except in maybe 1% of cases.
The problem with psy, is that no-one understands how music affects the human mind, therefore they don't know what the structures are for, and instead produce tracks using production tricks and luck. This makes 99% of it intolerable to listen to, never mind boring. Its not just boring, devoid of emotion, atmosphere and mood, its an insult to my intelligence, while pretending to be gods gift to humanity to boot. If only the stage fell down impaling the asshole with the dreadlocks and earphone.
So here I try to encourage fledgling artists where to look for some chance of not being musical failures. I know I know, Im a dreamer.
People get that book on songwriting, and then proceed to actually read it. please. It will make your music have at least 4000% more continuity, integrity, harmony and contrast.
P.S. big up to you for being honest about not listening to Shpongle. That dude is so immersed in his own sententiousness OMG. imHo. The scene can only move forward when people admit he has nothing to contribute. |
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 09:19
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"The problem with psy, is that no-one understands how music affects the human mind, therefore they don't know what the structures are for, and instead produce tracks using production tricks and luck. This makes 99% of it intolerable to listen to, never mind boring. Its not just boring, devoid of emotion, atmosphere and mood, its an insult to my intelligence, while pretending to be gods gift to humanity to boot. If only the stage fell down impaling the asshole with the dreadlocks and earphone."
Now that is very interesting. If this glittering sarcasm doesnt make my eyes bleed, then I must be having a weak eye-sight.
Well we really went off the topic and moreover its a book review thread.
How about we talk about something else, maybe more creative. Maybe this - http://forum.isratrance.com/innovative-sounds-recording-methods/ |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 09:46
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auralserenity - do you ever say anything inappropriate not caring whether it offends? Because that's the number 1 quality I identify in people I like. Dont really like namby pamby yesmen. |
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 09:57
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Thats great! |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 09:58
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Especially manipulative ones. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 14:44
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bukboy - do you always follow what you read?
I would like to hear your intellectual challenging music
do you make art music?
Really this topic became a waste of time with snobbs
bukboy - Go to art school and hold some lectures
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 14:46
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Freeflow - please explain the genre thinking concept. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 15:12
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why dont you explain it?
Im not qualified! You seem to be over-qualified to even be discussing here at this simple forum
If you tried to minimize your use of fancy synonyms it would be a lot easier to have a giving dicussion. But somehow i dont think you are out here for a giving dicussion!
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 15:21
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Freeflow - Im all about discussion, and i'm all about compromise - so long as the other person demonstrates a palpable point, backed up with some evidence.
But I don't, and no-one should, respect arguments with no substance, and only coolness factor.
Critical thinking is a good thing.
No-one has bothered to address why Im wrong in my criticism. Its all either personal attacks, or deflections.
No-one wants to address the issue that the music being played is bad unnecessarily and shouldn't be.
No-one wants to address the issue and no change will happen.
Denial and avoidance.
For a freedom loving community there sure doesn't seem to be a lot of freedom of criticism and speech.
Creationists are also pretty manipulative, Ask a good question and they'll ignore it and pose some irrelevant quandary. |
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gutter
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 15:23
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On 2010-01-18 20:09, auralserenity wrote:
But an intelligent would choose not to eat that shit. Friend, none of us make good music, we all strive not to make a bad one. And in the process we all are learning something new. Not everyone can make masterpieces but some of us can try to create something beautiful and new and amazingly innovative. And for that we have chosen sound.
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by Bukboy
I mean hippies - get over yourself and the magical thinking philosophy behind it and embrace your whole nature, not just the eclectic cherry picked crap, but the good stuff like taking the other societies' stuff coz yours has nowhere to grow, with sticks and stones and teeth if you have to. |
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lol
many "anti-hippies" for a psychedelic forum .
i like flowers on girls though 
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