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Fine Diner
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 00:13
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However the general idea of doing a "Japanese" floor sound exceedingly absurd to me and would not make any more Japanese travel around the world. They can see these artists here, why go elsewhere?! More importantly, it sounds like a cheap, stupid gimmick to me, something trance parties should avoid.
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That is because it's an earthcore gimmick... |
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Ken
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Posted : Jan 9, 2005 16:24
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Thanx everyone for your input. I'd just like to reply to some of the comments and add to the discussion...
First point,
if you are an overseas organizer, why would you bring not famous international acts to your country, acts that will not bring a big crowd. Air Tickets, Hotels, Tour Bus ...etc. cost a lot of money. This is anything BUT cheap!!!
Second point,
traveling to international trance festivals is a lot of fun!!! Anyone been to Eclipse, Boom, Somthraki... remember how beautiful it was.
I organized a tour to Australia last year, we had a wicked time! Some Japanese trancers couldn't speak English well. We camped together and I made a lot of good new friends.
I played the same time as 1200mics but the Japanese trancers came to watch me play, we had a great time!
Of course they can watch me play in Japan but there was something special about doing it in another country.
Many people continued to travel to other beautiful places in Australia after the Festival.
I want to promote Japanese trance in other countries. I think a Japanese stage at a big festival can only be a good thing. If you think its a cheap, stupid gimmick... DONT JOIN US! We'll have fun without you. I hope the Japan Australia Trance connection grows stronger and stronger.
p.s. I never said it was Earthcore. If it was, you still should respect them. They started as a Trance only party and now they have 6 floor with many strange live bands... I know many of you are angry with this but please remember they have been making parties for 11 years and made many wonderful memories and happy people. It is still a great festival and I'm happy they try to do new things every year. They work very hard for little money - believe me, I know.
 The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Jan 9, 2005 16:40
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Well Russ, I am surprised at your comment. Being an organizer you surely are concerned about spending and getting bucks. But trance is not only money. You are in Japan, near Australia, Thai and Goa and surely you can travel to any festival in Europe as you wish...but what about your average trancer, who goes to the nearest festival because he has not enough bucks to travel abroad or because his time schedule is very tight? So this guy may dream of seeing something different from what he sees in his "neighboorhood". This said I think that taking japanese artists abroad may not sound so exciting to us here, but certainly it's to the trancers where such festival would happen. Take me for instance. I'm a Kuro fan. Love anything he does. But in spite of have travelled my miles I've never heard of him playing outside Japan, and it would be great to see him say, in Germany, USA, Brazil or any other place.
Peace and Love. |
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russ
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 22:00
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hi goa-ganges,
i've read your post several times, but i can't connect it logically with anything i said. either i don't understand you, or you don't understand me, or both!
first, you should be careful with comments like "trance is not only money". for five years i have put our own money and time on the line to create the most aesthetically and emotionally powerful experience that I think a trance party is capable of becoming, without the slighest chance of making money. i aim for the highest level of professional production while doing a party from and for the underground crowd. every single aspect of the party conforms to my vision, for better or for worse, of a serious event. very few if any organizers elsewhere in the world have that as their single and only goal.
so i really don't think i need to be told "trance is not only money", thank you very much. after you lose tens of thousands of dollars at an event and then come back and do it again and again because you believe in it, please get back to me.
second, what does your "average trancer" have to do with my post? of course anybody wants to see somebody from outside the "neighborhood". but nobody wants to see somebody just because he is from a certain country!! when a dj like D-Nox plays, does the crowd swoon because the "German" is here?! you bring somebody not because he is from germany but because he's the best dj you can find. i don't care where anybody is from. i only care about finding and promoting talent. this has nothing to do with "getting bucks"! it has to with artistic integrity versus gimmicks.
bringing KURO and having an all-japanese stage are two entirely different propositions which you seem to be getting confused. i like KURO too. any overseas organizer could do well by booking him, or dj so, or shingo, or OMB, or Tsuyoshi (if you like that style!), but not because they're Japanese, but because they're good!
what if i announced that next year we will have a "swedish" stage the first night and a "german" stage the second? absurd. what you are doing is surrendering any kind of artistic vision of how a party should be constructed to the entirely arbitrary factor of country. you might as well have a blond-haired dj stage and then a brown-haired dj stage, and then have an after-party with all black-haired dj's! then you've got your demographics covered and you'll get a lot of brown, black, and blond-haired punters! yahoo! now we're getting bucks!
my response was harsh because ken posted that the organizer wanted to "get" Japanese people to their party. thousands of Japanese went to Samothraki last year, and close to a thousand went to the Outback Eclipse. to people who really do want to "get bucks" this phenomenon has not gone unnoticed, and they want to cash in on it. so this is those organizers' problem: how do we "get" more Japanese. in other words, what's the best way to "nanpa" Japanese trancers!? the solution proposed above is to have an all-Japanese stage. if this does not strike you as amusing as watching John Cleese do a funny walk, then...
peace out
To Ken,
I have nothing against you or your organization. Of course I think it's wonderful to travel to another country and watch one of your friends play and then see more of that country. in fact, next week, i am traveling to australia with a japanese friend to watch him and others play, and i also hope the already strong Japan-Australia trance connection grows even stronger.
But the simple fact is that I don't see enough talent here in any ONE organization to warrant giving an entire stage to that organization. Metamorphose invited a german label to organize a stage last year, and that made sense because they invited one of the best electronica labels in the world that features artists from all over. they did this not to get a kraut invasion, but to get good music. So a top-flight "label" stage makes a certain amount of sense to me, but not a "country" stage. it would be a blast for everyone involved, but it's still a cheap gimmick that would fail in its intended goal.
Many Japanese went to Samothraki for the glorious greek sun, and many Japanese went to the outback for a once in a lifetime majestic experience. This organizer is not going to get a mass of Japanese trancers going just for an all-Nippon stage!! Who thinks Japanese trancers are as dumb as that?!! What you would get is a small to moderate amount of friends of those playing, and they would have a wonderful time of course, but not enough to justify such a plan from this organizer's perspective.
Also I will respect those who I feel deserve it. You cannot tell people whom to respect, end of story.
I respect your friends Manas, for example, becaues it seems they are a true underground crew with their hearts in the right place. But I won't respect whichever blockhead contacted you to be his pimp in Japan just because you tell me to. Nor can you tell me to respect Earthcore just because they've been making parties for the past 11 years. If you know them so intimately, perhaps you also know how many drug overdoses they had this year (60) or how many people died because of lack of safety concerns over a know hazard (1):
"The Earthcore festival near Shepparton two weeks ago stretched the Goulburn Base Hospital to the limit, according to doctors....The hospital had seven drug-related category one (life-threatening) admissions from Earthcore alone. Meanwhile, Earthcore organisers have issued a statement expressing their regret at the drowning of a young man at the festival."
"Insp Wigg said Mr Henshall's death was not drug-related and that the section of river in which the 22-year-old was found was known for its submerged snags and fast currents."
Charming.
If it is Earthcore, then it seems to me there are more important things that they should be worrying about. |
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Ken
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Posted : Jan 11, 2005 14:02
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Hey Russ, thanx for expressing your opinions and also everyone else that has responded to my post. Your responses have helped me research Japanese Trance producers and think about this project deeply. This is exactly why this forum is great.
So I thought I'd let anyone who is interested know my thoughts on your comments, where I'm at and welcome more comments.
First, to Russ, your right... I shouldn't tell anyone to respect anything, it was more of my opinion than an attack on you, I'm sorry it offended you so much.
BTW, I'm not anyone's pimp. If an organizer contacts me to organize an Australian tour of Japanese artists culminating in a stage at a Festival... I can make my own decisions and artists can make their own decisions... and I can tell you guys the response has been really positive!
As far as getting masses of Japanese to come to the festival and make a big profit... I dont think that was ever the plan. With the line-up of producers I'm currently thinking of, this is unlikely. I believe my original comment was "they must be able to attract enough travelers to make it worthwhile" - I'm sorry if this was not clear but as Goa Ganges said "being an organizer, you surely are concerned about spending and getting bucks" ... when this idea was floated, ofcourse the organizer put this condition to make it clear where he was coming from and that I wasn't going to put together a really obscure line-up.
Japanese Trancers are definitely not stupid! Especially all those crazy cats that came out for this festival last year!
Actually, I dont know Earthcore so "intimately" and didn't know 7 people were admitted to hospital at the last Earthcore. I read later that 1 person drowned in the river. The police said that it was not-drug related, I dont know if the police are telling the truth but I feel sorry for those people, their friends and family.
I went to Earthcore last year and it was such a huge crazy twisted festival that you just dont realize the sad news till after, or someone tells you - thanx 4 the headz up Russ. I also heard Earthcore is doing their best to make this year's festival as safe as possible for trancers to have a wicked time.
As for the status of this project, thank you to all the labels and producers for sending me your gr8 gr8 music and educating me on Japanese Trance. It looks like bringing an entire crew over wont work so a selection of artists seems more likely. This is not 100% sure to go ahead yet but if it does, you guys are going to blow em away downunder!
Finally, thanx Russ for the comment that you think Manas are a true underground crew with their hearts in the right place. That's such a positive thing to say and its so so true. I too have spent years and so much time, effort and money doing underground parties in Japan. I hope to see you at our parties in the future for a boogie and a laugh.
The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
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russ
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Posted : Jan 11, 2005 15:13
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thanks for the nice message ken. my apologies if i offended--i tend to express myself very directly, and sometimes impolitely! good luck with however things turn out.
BTW: where does your quote "the music was like new..." come from? i like it a lot, and it seems like i have read it or heard somewhere, but i can't think of where. |
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russ
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Posted : Jan 11, 2005 15:18
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P.S. IF I were chosen to organize a Japanese stage, my line-up would be:
Dance:
Dj SO [Mindgames/Tribute]
Dj Sal [Stargate]
Maru vs Shingo [Psyaeen]
OMB (live) [Anoyo]
KURO (live) [Psyristor Trax]
Chill:
Hiyoshi [Dakini]
Puff Dragon (live) [Dakini]
I think these are the eight most talented dj's/musicians in Japan right now. |
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Jan 16, 2005 12:59
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Russ, firstly I didn't say that you are a money-seeker organizer, just@commented that money is part of your concern - as, of course, it must be. And you may understand my comment as you want, but take no offense as you did. @I am really surprised with your "in your face" attitude, gosh!
Peace and Love. |
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Ken
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 10:16
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Hey Russ,
The quote comes from the song Turkish Bazar by Emmanuel Top. But he sampled it from somewhere else. Jim Morrison's spoken word i think
The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
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Highland
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 11:18
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"you might as well have a blond-haired dj stage and then a brown-haired dj stage, and then have an after-party with all black-haired dj's! then you've got your demographics covered and you'll get a lot of brown, black, and blond-haired punters! "
Hi Russ,
Oooo...i wanna play on the black hair stage :-]
Hope all's well. shoot me an email and let's go climb a mountain as soon as it get's warm! |
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psykoactiv
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Posted : Jan 27, 2005 22:47
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u guys dont like DJ mizuki or DJ gamma ???
i think they're the most killer guys ur country has to offer..
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Ken
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 05:01
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Can someone give me more information about KURO.
Some reviews and comments about his style.
A short Bio... links... anything.
I'll check Psyristor Trax as well.
The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
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Leptit
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 15:24
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Hi there,
Im a french promoter, last year we booked a lovely japanese girl for one of our outdoor party : DJ KANA.
She is a very good dj, then she played in London for the new year eve but also in Scotland and many small parties around the uk.......
She is back soon to japan....... so.......
Anyway, best luck !
Boom shankar !
www.hadra.net
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 17:24
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Ken, try these Kuro tracks:
Matrox
ReCall
Blast
these will give you an idea of how good trance can be...I've been in these scene since Shiva and Ganesh were in the covers of CDs that were so good that you couldn't wait to get home and listen to the magical tracks inside them..and Kuro is one of the last artists that still struggles hard to keep that magic alive. Blast is great! Listen to it a high volume and you will see what trance is all about.
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Ken
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Posted : Feb 21, 2005 13:26
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So I've done a bit of research and checked out some artists. These are the producers that I'm thinking of so far. For DJs, I like Tsuyoshi and Ryo and maybe the famous DJ So (haven't seen him play yet).
*LIVE*
(Taiko Drumming Group)
K.U.R.O
PHI
UNI
Sine6
Theoreme
Uscus
*DJ*
Tsuyoshi
Ryo
Kemix (wouldn't miss this for the world)
Batta
What do you guys think of this line-up for an Australian / (NZ??) tour? No comments about whether the tour should go ahead or not, just the line-up please.
The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
psy16.com |
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