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Best headphones for psytrance producing?
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 15, 2014 18:22
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On 2014-09-15 17:42, Ellon wrote:
AKG 701 have high impedance so they need amp to really work properly.
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do you know what amp would be good to use with these?
long time i m thinking to get one but not sure it will make a difference vs sound interfaces, these need a bit more juice than my other cans but still no problem to drive them but maybe a proper amp would give better low and transients |
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Posted : Sep 15, 2014 21:51
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Posted : Sep 17, 2014 18:40
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i think i will stick wit hwhat i have, probably need to spend more to hear a noticeable upgrade |
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Posted : Sep 17, 2014 18:45
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On 2014-09-14 00:46, Padmapani wrote:
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On 2014-09-13 21:19, PoM wrote:
akg 701 lack low information but are kinda flat..
ath m50 imo are better than dt 770 for closed, but could be personal...
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i don't have the impression that my k701 lack low end information (i can hear sounds clearly that disappear on any other playback system i have available). what is true is that the bass isn't driving at all, which makes listening not quite as pleasurable, but isn't a bad thing for producing imho.
the biggest negative for me with the k701 is that the highs are a bit harsh, what can be tiring to the ears. so i turn the hats down a few db up until i start the mix.
but compared to many other cans (especially the cheaper akg ones) they're still excellent. when you hear some recorded sounds, you can actually hear the shape of the room it was recorded in as if you were there.
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i find the highs maybe be slighty harsh but after it depend offcourse the quality of the production and it s a bit unbalenced with the low .
i take a eq like the tdr that have auto gain feature, (but it s not needed it just it make it easier for this and it dont clip..) and boost with a low shelf filter that is not too smooth so it don t boost low mids and boost around 6db around 100 hz with a reference tune to calibrate the cans.. then it sound a lot more like it hsould imo, try it maybe, then translation is good and the cans sound amazing.
if you look at their frequency curve these are some of the flattest cans ,specilaly in that price range.. but lack low end.. like 5/6 db |
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Posted : Sep 27, 2014 21:42
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these are supposed to be excellent and should be a nice upgrade compared to my sounds interfaces , might give it a try
http://www.thomann.de/fr/lehmann_audio.html?sid=388cdea88608f160b69647ea2845f9f0
really miss a second headphone output to compare translations on 2 cans ( unplug replug is a bit a pain evry time ) or even with collabs it can be useful .
i started back producing and use way more headphone than before (beeing in a bad sounding room) and can really affirm than every producers should have good headphone for getting best production possible.. wihtout cans you need great room that translate well , and it s not even about acoustic and bass traps..it s grain of salt vs the room size ,the material of the walls ect.. imo. if the room dont let you have great production whitout lot of pain; move somwhere else !! that why some artists sometimes have great production, and years later it sux.. they move toa different place and it s all about the room |
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Posted : Sep 27, 2014 22:33
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Posted : Sep 28, 2014 01:53
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@pom:
you could also try this one:
http://www.thomann.de/de/lake_people_g103p_phoneamp.htm
Very good quality hp-amp and you can also power 2 headphones at once. It's the cheapest amp of their product line (besides the exact same one with unbalanced inputs), but still a big improvement to most build-in amps in interfaces.
They also build high-end hifi hp-amps under the name Violectric, also worth checking out on ebay etc... |
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Posted : Sep 28, 2014 02:57
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On 2014-09-15 18:22, PoM wrote:
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On 2014-09-15 17:42, Ellon wrote:
AKG 701 have high impedance so they need amp to really work properly.
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do you know what amp would be good to use with these?
long time i m thinking to get one but not sure it will make a difference vs sound interfaces, these need a bit more juice than my other cans but still no problem to drive them but maybe a proper amp would give better low and transients
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Pom you should buy amp you will see big big different
Audio Interface amp = sucks and shit
(even with the best one)
you will hear big different and you can even replace mointors and working only with headphone and be sure
that you're sound will be good on any system
(good headphone + good amp = win)
i buy amp and i really really happy and my headphone sound amazing i using before audio interface amp
and i don't understand way on my headphone it's sound A and on my Monitors it's sound B
and now when i working it's sound A on my Headphone and A on My Monitors
but you need high ohms in you're headphone for getting best resolute from you're amp (250 or 600) 600 best  -------------------------------------------------
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Posted : Sep 28, 2014 19:11
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On 2014-09-28 01:53, Brain_Train wrote:
@pom:
you could also try this one:
http://www.thomann.de/de/lake_people_g103p_phoneamp.htm
Very good quality hp-amp and you can also power 2 headphones at once. It's the cheapest amp of their product line (besides the exact same one with unbalanced inputs), but still a big improvement to most build-in amps in interfaces.
They also build high-end hifi hp-amps under the name Violectric, also worth checking out on ebay etc...
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thanks gonna check all this ! heard about violetric it s supposed to be great sounding stuff |
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 28, 2014 19:13
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On 2014-09-15 17:42, Ellon wrote:
AKG 701 have high impedance so they need amp to really work properly.
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do you know what amp would be good to use with these?
long time i m thinking to get one but not sure it will make a difference vs sound interfaces, these need a bit more juice than my other cans but still no problem to drive them but maybe a proper amp would give better low and transients
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Pom you should buy amp you will see big big different
Audio Interface amp = sucks and shit
(even with the best one)
you will hear big different and you can even replace mointors and working only with headphone and be sure
that you're sound will be good on any system
(good headphone + good amp = win)
i buy amp and i really really happy and my headphone sound amazing i using before audio interface amp
and i don't understand way on my headphone it's sound A and on my Monitors it's sound B
and now when i working it's sound A on my Headphone and A on My Monitors
but you need high ohms in you're headphone for getting best resolute from you're amp (250 or 600) 600 best
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was always under the impression it wouldnt make much difference, as i find my cans sound decent even from my motherboard output.. but gonna give it a try to a good amp now that i dont have other choice to improve monitoring condition..or would need tons of huge basstraps ..would cost me a fortune |
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Posted : Sep 30, 2014 15:13
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If you build the bass traps yourself it isn't that expensive. You can buy mineral wool in large quantities at hardware stores to quite low prices.
I already did this in 2 rooms and it was about 300-400 euros each, so it isn't really more expensive than a good hp-amp. Of course you could still invest more money to improve the room even more, but for a basic setup it's enough.
Just tell me if you need more info on this.
Also buying a measurement mic is a good starting point (fe the Behringer ECM 8000, around 45 euros).
Just fiddling with your monitor placement can make a huge difference in room acoustics, and if you plan to build bass traps and absorbers for early reflections you will need it anyway.
Another possibility is using software for modeling a real room response on headphones, but if the software is working is closely tied to your headsize and form. Just try TB Isone or Redline Monitor.
There are better solutions for this, but they are quite expensive (and lack a try-before-you-buy variant ^^) |
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Posted : Sep 30, 2014 16:01
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i have some 1 meter ticks traps already and measurment mic but in the room i m in, i would need these traps on all wall to get good acoustics, the top is curved , it s a pain ! , i would need to make a room into the room and it s too xpensive and dont worht it..the room dont have good potential 
i think there is too much hype with room acustic absorbers..room need to be good to start with, if it s bad u need to be rich or move somewhere else , it s not 4 traps in the corner and some first reflection pannels that will turn a bad rooom into a good one, sure it will help, but a bad room, vs a bit less bad room is still crap compared to a good room  |
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Posted : Sep 30, 2014 16:36
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On 2014-09-30 15:13, Brain_Train wrote:
Another possibility is using software for modeling a real room response on headphones, but if the software is working is closely tied to your headsize and form. Just try TB Isone or Redline Monitor.
There are better solutions for this, but they are quite expensive (and lack a try-before-you-buy variant ^^)
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thanks man for suggestion ! did you try these? it worked nice for you ? i did in the past and didn t like much ,should give a other try.
with panorama/panning /stereo image i dont care much, cause i can do on monitors if it s not ok and it s not big deal vs getting good frequency/tonal balance i find
in cans i don't have problems for prog and techno but for faster tempo full on it s more tricky i find, dunno why exactly,good cans are supposed to have really good timing in the low if i m right but it s tricky..we dont feel transients /impact of the sound thats why i think. a good amp could help probably |
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Posted : Sep 30, 2014 18:18
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Ah ok I see your problem. You're right, there are rooms so bad that it isn't worth the trouble (and the money).
May I ask which dimensions your room has?
The worst possible dimensions would be cubic, so length = width = heigth or a multiple off it, because it would double/triple your mode problems.
But a curved ceiling doesn't have to be that bad. If your room is tall enough you could stuff the entire curvature with mineral wool, resulting in one big bad-ass bass trap 
Also choosing the right densitiy of the mineral wool is vital. You want a higher one for early-reflections than for bass traps, because otherwise the bass waves wouldn't get properly absorbed.
What's also important is to plank the bass traps in order for the higher frequencies to get reflected instead of absorbed. Otherwise you'll kill your entire high-frequency response, resulting in a dull sound.
But you will have to calculate/measure the width of the planks and also the distance from each other (to determine from which frequency upwards the waves get reflected).
And are your bass traps room-high? Also very important for their effectivity. You'll want to especially cover the points where wall/wall/ceiling respectively wall/wall/floor meet, because there are the pressure maxima.
Regarding plugins:
I tried both, liked Isone better. It also has more options. As I understood Redline Monitor is just a cross-feed plugin, which allows the sound from left ear also to be heard in right side of headphone and vice versa, like when using speakers.
Isone offers much more options, like distance from speakers, size of your head, early reflections etc.
I haven't really worked with it yet, just played around for one or two hours comparing reference tracks with it on/off.
I think it can be useful, but the only way to really see if it works for you is to try...it's really a very personal thing.
As I said, there are other plugins also, like Spatial Audio Designer by New Audio Technology or Ircam Hear by Flux.
And possibly the best solution is the Smyth Realiser, but it's just as expensive sadly...would really like to try that one... |
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Posted : Oct 12, 2014 23:25
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i should not stay there for a long period so i won t do much for the room, i will maybe put my absorbers back just that , it s 15 m2 with rock wall more than 1 meter thick ,and curved top. bass traps feel useless in corners.. and these are 1 meter tick with low / medieum density glass fiber. the wall are so tick than even sub bass reflect i think .
thanks for pointing out the lake people amp, i think i will get the 109 , i checked reviews and feeback on the net it seems very good !! |
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