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Bashing a label, or avoiding the bad vibes? What would you do?
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Anyer
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 17:29
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On 2013-02-28 17:21, Colin OOOD wrote:
For your information: https://www.facebook.com/sunstryk/posts/10200154317673059
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Thomas Vitali wrote:
It is so funny that some people just dont understand the easy functions of soundcloud or internet. So I give a small lesson to those st**pid pri**s:
1. soundcloud's machine is doing any removal because "of copyright" by itself. NOT because we do anything actively. Do you really think I care about such stuff personally ?
1.1. the copyright are all set for every release. So bring on your lawyers. On contrary to Moasico records or whatever that name is and other labels WE DO have AN IMPRINT ON OUR PAGE + lawyer contact on the page. Send your lawyers there, please. no problem.
But first of all - get yourself a; A HOMEPAGE AT ALL, b: a legal address with imprint. So who has something to hide ???
2. to all the people commenting and involving into this only because their time allows, my advice: go and smoke your next joint looser. Or any other drug you usually take on any love & light party, you high-spiritual being.
3. to all the people commenting although the ask me for some advertisment cash in future magazine: shut the f*** up or learn where you stand.
4. to all the people, especially elay lazutkin mo**therfu**er (hey I can also write words like him  ) learn the business. I can re-release your music as often as our EXCLUSIVE contract says. Furthermore - for the text about "must die" - you get easily report from facebook. By the way - small secret from my side: everybody MUST DIE once. No problems. But I think a few will do before my time due the fact I dont do drugs 
5. i recognize that always those guys and people come up that a: have 3 tracks releases or 3 releases in their whole life as music "artist". I am not sure if they are artists at all doing a few tracks at all in theirt whole life - or b: people that just have no credibility at all to start something like this. So I invite you to come to our homepage and check all the names on our page, latest CDs, releases and so on for checking HOW can it be that those names work with us ? Because we are scumbag or unserious ? I wait for the day that moasico records or any other shit-trowing label makes a compilation like that one for example: http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/plu/plu2cd312.html
and this is only an example. We did 71 CDs so far. I think this is as much as a few labels do their label-lifetime TOGETHER ! Poor souls ! |
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ewk psynina sucks ¬¬, he dares to say he is a sober Douchebag.
  DJ of Sourcecode
www.sourcecode.nu
A&R from Horns and Hoofs Entertainment
www.Hornsandhoofs.com
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 19:03
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I don't like this guy seems quite a sucker and asshole,too bad that psynina is really his work, cause sounds not bad.
He should really take a huge trip and go into mass with himself.
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Upavas
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 23:48
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On 2013-02-28 17:21, Colin OOOD wrote:
For your information: https://www.facebook.com/sunstryk/posts/10200154317673059
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Thomas Vitali wrote:
It is so funny that some people just dont understand the easy functions of soundcloud or internet. So I give a small lesson to those st**pid pri**s:
1. soundcloud's machine is doing any removal because "of copyright" by itself. NOT because we do anything actively. Do you really think I care about such stuff personally ?
1.1. the copyright are all set for every release. So bring on your lawyers. On contrary to Moasico records or whatever that name is and other labels WE DO have AN IMPRINT ON OUR PAGE + lawyer contact on the page. Send your lawyers there, please. no problem.
But first of all - get yourself a; A HOMEPAGE AT ALL, b: a legal address with imprint. So who has something to hide ???
2. to all the people commenting and involving into this only because their time allows, my advice: go and smoke your next joint looser. Or any other drug you usually take on any love & light party, you high-spiritual being.
3. to all the people commenting although the ask me for some advertisment cash in future magazine: shut the f*** up or learn where you stand.
4. to all the people, especially elay lazutkin mo**therfu**er (hey I can also write words like him ) learn the business. I can re-release your music as often as our EXCLUSIVE contract says. Furthermore - for the text about "must die" - you get easily report from facebook. By the way - small secret from my side: everybody MUST DIE once. No problems. But I think a few will do before my time due the fact I dont do drugs
5. i recognize that always those guys and people come up that a: have 3 tracks releases or 3 releases in their whole life as music "artist". I am not sure if they are artists at all doing a few tracks at all in theirt whole life - or b: people that just have no credibility at all to start something like this. So I invite you to come to our homepage and check all the names on our page, latest CDs, releases and so on for checking HOW can it be that those names work with us ? Because we are scumbag or unserious ? I wait for the day that moasico records or any other shit-trowing label makes a compilation like that one for example: http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/plu/plu2cd312.html
and this is only an example. We did 71 CDs so far. I think this is as much as a few labels do their label-lifetime TOGETHER ! Poor souls ! |
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Interesting, my contract with him states that every re-release of my music is to be compensated... not that I have ever seen any statements (also a part of my contract with him) or any $... I am thinking, if all the people got together and filed a suit against him (with the amount of artists cheated this should be peanuts for everyone involved) one could shut this guy down for sure... and he should be shut down, because he is actively destroying the scene!
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
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meshi1977
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 22:26
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dude as someone who knows what label u r talking about
and made a post on their devious and treachery behavior on fb i tell you: leave it behind and move on not worth the time and efforts.
i believe in karma he will get what he deserves in the end....
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Anyer
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 09:02
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From Koan
Sunstryk, As usual your unprofessionalism and neglect to honor your commitment has become an issue of gross concern. I would never have signed a contract and nor taken your money if I understood just how irresponsible you would be concerning our music. Here is a list of items of immediate concern:
1. You are currently offering Koan - "Mitakuye Oyasin" EP as two variations. Yet both appear the same with DEMO-tracks under incorrect names. To this present day You still have not fixed this despite our repetitive requests. Nothing! If you can't see the correct track-names - just read the contract where they are all clearly stated. You are misrepresenting our work and subsequently causing a great deal of confusion and misinformation with our customers.
2. In One variation of the EP; You sell MP3s as WAVs-files. There is a gross difference in the structuring of these tracks and the quality, which is again a neglectful oversite.
3. You've got numbered original .WAV-tracks from William, but you've used unfinished demo-files instead of the complete tracks. Many people are upset as they don't understand where the correct version of "Mitakuye Oyasin" EP and they feel cheated.
4. You've used incorrect artwork for the cover of EP did not notify us of this change.
5. On our regular polite request-alerts for alterations, changes, and modifications, you've answered with indifference or ignored our messages altogether. This demonstrates a blatant disregard for our time and commitment to this project and our relationship.
6. We have not received any financial compensation for all of our Synergetic/Future Lovers/Plusquam Division-releases (Vacuum Stalkers / Roeth & Grey albums and singles). We demand to see updates of our current sale status immediately.
All of these issues together combined with the lack of transparency in connection puts into question your professional competence and commitment. And in not upholding the standards of conduct you guarantee in your contract you are threatening a breach. Instead of moving into immediate action to fix the problem, you continue act as if we are a commodity to be bought and sold without any regard for our product and sustainability. Nobody believes that's bitter experience with Plusquam is first time something like this has happened. In past we remained patient and silent, but now we are calling for immediate action before this becomes a legal issue. For all our career we are never met label or man who traded music with this high degree of disregard and depravity.
If you prefer, we would be more than happy to return your money and receive our EP to pursue other more considerate and professional labels but shit happens. Koan has never been just a business for us, and for the ages of hard-work we have certainly collected money, but also received something more. Integrity, respect, and honor as being passionate composers of music who care about our product and our fans before all else. So ask yourself: do You really think this situation is worth it? Do you feel comfortable scamming music from artists? Is this what you wish to be known for? As we have no problem going completely public with this whole endeavor if we must.
DJ of Sourcecode
www.sourcecode.nu
A&R from Horns and Hoofs Entertainment
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battleangel
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Posted : Mar 5, 2013 14:10
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ahhh so i made another mistake??
i am 1 month after release on planet ben (plusquam). i have no problems untill now but after reading this... vitali wrote me that promotion is they big weapon, i expect that they use this weapon for my ep but now i see that its only illusion.
its second time when i read bad things about label after releasing. first was geomagnetic and now this.
now im scared about another releases. i just want to spread my music (promotion is not my forte) so i just want to find a label who help me with this. small labels have no many for promotion, big labels dont care about new artists... is there any choice? |
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meshi1977
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Posted : Mar 5, 2013 16:52
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as a producer who has been a while in this music scene let me give you some advices:
you want promotion- DO IT YOURSELF! kapish!
the time of labels helping you with promotions, gigs etc is over! i can count on my hand the number of labels left that does those kind of things.
releasing your hard work music i not the only thing you will need to do.
trying to get radio interviews maybe even music magazine interviews, posting on music site like :soundcloud,mixcloud etc.
massive "promotion" on fb, music forums and so on.
it is a full time job mates!
thats what you need to understand!
new comers think: "yeah i will sign a contract. release my tracks on beatport and thats it" fame will follow.
well sorry to disappoint you guys not gonna happen!
on my gig in "hadra" france i heard there were artists there performing for free! they just want that opportunity to perform in front of people.just to make clear i have nothing against hadra festival in fact it was the most organized festival i have been so far with the kindest people i met.
what i am trying to say is: you need to prepare yourself mentally for disappointments hard work hours on hours of work trying to promote yourself.
IT IS A FULL TIME JOB!
and there are a lot of assholes there taking advantage of new artists that have no idea what they are signing on because they just want to be on a record label already.
i have seen it all on this "music scene" and i learned my lesson.
personally i think labels are a thing of the past especially in this day and age we live in.
one more important thing you need consider the "life expectancy" in the music scene is relevantly short especially in the electronic scene now days.
if i knew then what i know now would probably never signed a single contract and would probably self released all my music digitally and as cds too!
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battleangel
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Posted : Mar 5, 2013 17:38
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yeah, sure, but FULL TIME JOB is music production so where to get time for selfpromotion? i know that some people makes track per 4 hours but some bring more time to do it.
"trying to get radio interviews maybe even music magazine interviews, posting on music site like :soundcloud,mixcloud etc.
massive "promotion" on fb, music forums and so on. " sure it's easy to say but not everyone was born as promoteur. i know that some people like to spam fb and othr sites whole day but it's not my part of cake.
more than 10 years on wide range music scenes learn me that only psytrance scene is totally amateur and 'hippy'. label still can do promotion. some dont do that but it not means that every label work that way |
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IsratranceFullMember
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Posted : Mar 8, 2013 03:46
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I know most of you are going to absolutely HATE this suggestion, but I gotta throw it out there.
I'm a real nice guy. like, really. to everyone close to me and strangers as well. but when douchebags try to fuck over honest people, especially artists, my dark side comes out.
yeah yeah, karma comes around and all that, but I don't mind taking karma into my own hands sometimes. it adds a little spice to the mix.
so, i really couldn't live with myself if i didn't at least suggest that maybe all of us who were scammed by this guy pool together some BTC and hire a thug in the munich area to go down to the Plusquam office, beat the shit out of this clown, rob his ass, and maybe break some shit.
or if that is too over-the-top, its very easy to hire a hacker to DDoS his site. C'mon, you know you'd be really happy inside when it happened 
just sayin, is all. i know all us musicians are supposed to be peaceful and loving and enlightened and all that....but i mean, this injustice can not stand, man. |
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Upavas
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Posted : Mar 8, 2013 07:50
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Another Quote from Thomas Vitalis facebook page:
"Manifesto Music Business Part II - Licensing & Re-Releasing:
1. We do have exclusive licenses on tracks we re-release in our labelgroup and labels. Therefore EXCLUSIVE means (only usage to us for our business).
2. Any artist claiming he didnt consent to this or knows about it, doesnt read his contract properly. Everything is written also with the info that for a re-release no notification must be sent. (For sure it would be nice, but any usual business in music industry does not inform each artist for every release they do. This would practically mean the whole day we are only informing artists about our steps.)
2.1. Some artists DIDNT sign their tracks exlusively to US but to OTHER LABELS. And we license on non-exclusive basis FROM THESE LABELS. Therefore there is also a contract for such releases. Many artists "think" we stole them or "just" release them. WRONG ! We licensed these tracks and the licensor label does not inform the artist (which it also doesnt have it regularly).
3. Any artist signing a contract on exclusive basis has also a 3rd party deal inside with a share cut. So any re-release will result in regular incomes for these re-releases. Or we paid advances to the licensor label from which the artist gets his share cut.
4. Any artist claiming we violate only because of lack of information should check first, ask us or email us. We respond to every email withing maximum 5 working business days.
To be continued..."
To 1: I guess that also counts for anything one puts on soundcloud, did Thomas buy soundcloud and embedded his contracts he doesn't keep in some kind of thing one has to click on and agree on before uploading? Just asking... 
to2: I guess one now has to include a clause in any psy label contract that says, not to be re-released via Thomas Vitali... thanks for the warning mate!
to3: After having some of my music re-released over and over via several compilation releases I am still waiting for a cut, or any other financial statements or royalties! It has now been 3 years...
to4: Any artists who legitimately complains about being cheated even though he does so correctly and even politely will receive messages like (and I am quoting directly here) :" you are a small child, I will destroy your name in the scene for good and you will never release with any psy label again after I am done with you" within 5 business days
I would like to compile a list of artists who were cheated by Thomas Vitali. If you like to, please pm me, I assure you that I will keep your information and name absolutely private!
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/ |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 8, 2013 15:07
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One of my old Disco Hooligans tracks "Cohagen" was delete from my Martian Arts soundcloud account.
I thought it was about sampling Arnie's voice from Total Recall, but...
I got a message from Soundcloud saying it was Planet BEN Records that made the claim that I had material on my soundcloud that belonged to them. It was about the track Cohagen that I made when in the Disco Hooligans project and released it in 2011 on Neurobiotic Records on the Purple Shade EP. And apparently I am breaching copyright law and I made the tune. Is Planet BEN serious? lol
Here is the release on Planet BEN, in 2012! http://www.beatport.com/track/cohagen-original-mix/3691548
And another one, Time's Out http://www.beatport.com/track/timesout-original-mix/3691623
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 8, 2013 16:45
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lol wtf ! these guys are mad |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 8, 2013 19:32
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They wrote back again saying it was the Soundcloud's new Machine that detects this stuff and it was not them...my clip was up on soundcloud, 2 years earlier...yet mine was deleted...naughty soundcloud maschine...
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positive036
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Posted : Mar 8, 2013 19:55
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Nice tune you got there Nectarios... |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 8, 2013 20:05
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