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mysticmessiah
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Posted : Jun 14, 2006 23:13
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On 2006-06-13 19:37, Bharath wrote:
Also, @mysticmessiah - Wasn't Lord Krishna the Charioteer and Arjuna the passenger?
I dont see how the Passenger can be the Soul. Sorry, doesn't make sense to me.
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Krishna was arjuna's charioteer for the war indeed, however, da chariot v r referrin 2 here is da chariot of life... each of us wit our own (totally unaware of da pune here)...
Now consider this...
The chariot, horses, charioteer; wat r they all workin on? On gettin da passenger 2 his destinatn, rite? The journey's da passenger's; the beasts n the driver are but rented, with limited roles to play. if u r extremely lucky, 100-120 years is al u cn expct dis chariot 2 reamin mobile.
Krishna's point here is tht the limited time we do have, we should utilise in reaching as close to the destinatn as possible... now, there's no de facto destinatn as such... the journey is abt ur karma yoga n as krishna himself says, thr r a million paths 2 choose frm... each right in its own way. wat matters is whether u stay true 2 ur path. what matters is whether da charioteer is taking da passenger whr he wants 2 go...!
Otherwise, as u say, if the charioteer decides whr 2 tke da passenger, now tht my friend, is a wasted chance of a lifetime...
ask urself... wen u r in a cab, who decides? the driver who merely drives da car at others' whims or you who've rented the whole thing (driver, wheels et al) for the next few minutes??? That is the essence... the playing of parts... thr's only so much u cn visualise - matter-bound that we are... mebbe, in a seamless existence the whole picture wud become crystal-clear...
and tht's wat krishna says too... he says the answers lie wit da soul: but thr's no way u r gonna figure out for:
"avyakto 'yam acintyo 'yam
avikaryo 'yam ucyate
tasmad evam viditvainam
nanusocitum arhasi"
The soul, he says, is invisible (avyakth), beyond comprehension (achintya), Unchangeable (avikarya). Knowing this, there's no reason for you to lament, O Arjuna!
Knowledge is the key to that passenger's smile! For, he knows, no matter how terrifying the storm is, it's not going to affect him one bit, for, unlike the chariot or the horses, he isn't made of matter & so there's very nothing tht matter cn do to him!
Wat we've mentioned here is jus da tip of the iceberg. Each verse of the Gita cn have a gazillion interpretations... it kinda grows on you; n each time u assimilate wat u cn, a whole new facet of life comes into picture... it's quite beautiful really! 
BTW it's said tht Krishna was the only Purna Avatar (Complete Incarnation)
  ~~ I'm a guest in my own Reality~~
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Jun 22, 2006 15:05
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Thanks for that Mystic! Much appreciated.
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Yidam
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Posted : Jun 23, 2006 10:01
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It's been a while since I added to this thread. Thanks for all the insightful posts, I've been a silent reader but I love that this thread has moved into Indian mythology. I'd been curious for a while. Thank you mysticmessiah, the philosophy behind the Chariot blew my mind.
Just stepping out for a bit. Have you guys read Carlos Casteneda ? I'm reading 'Journey to Ixtlan', the third book in his series 'The Mastery of Awareness' The first 2 being 'The Teachings of Don Juan' & 'A Separate Reality'
Its hard to put to words the magic and awareness in these books. They all revolve around Carlos Castenada and his experiences as an apprentice to Don Juan, a Yaqui shaman. Don Juan's words are beautifully cryptic and the whole experience is a trip. Expanding the mind through psycotropic plants.
I get goosebumps. The images portrayed are infinitly large and small and filled with colors we've never seen. Comparable to Autobiography of a Yogi but also wild enough to be placed on the other end of the same rainbow.
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Jun 23, 2006 20:35
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Dude... Carlos Casteneda is a bonafide Shaman. His books are so aware about the insider knowledge that you can only acquire by being one or close to one.
Its like a more 'human' Autobio of a Yogi. Psychotropic plants and shit are frequently mentioned here and its beautiful the way the trips are portrayed.
~*** You can tell By the way i use my walk, Im a woman's man, No time to Talk***~ |
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jabba
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Posted : Jun 25, 2006 07:43
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http://www.castanedamovie.com/intro2.html
@ va¤n read magical passes and art of dreaming by castaneda .................must read
To focus sometimes you need to spin hard on your soul's axis..... just don't ask how and what it means ;) |
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Jun 25, 2006 08:18
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Hey .. i have a qustion for you guys..especially Gopendra coz he shared his knowledge of Chakras with me.
I have been practicing the chakra meditation for a little time now and i noticed one trait which has developed in me that im not accustomed to seeing. I tend to become a little different and say things i normally wouldnt, coz its not part of my character. I'm not overly aggressive or anything, its just that seem to be a little less controlling about my speech and what i say. Not scandalous or mean, just i lose a little patience.
Any explanations?..
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acidity
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 07:11
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Has anybody heard of this org. Brahma Kumaris. They are in soul teaching and meditation.
I went for their first class today with a not so intense half an hour session of meditation. Quite peaceful.
I have a question for all you people out there - how many of you meditate regularly without fail?
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 10:31
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I have a question for all you people out there - how many of you meditate regularly without fail?
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i do... atleast for 10 mins which in itself drains me, so i usually do it just before getting into bed. Never have i slept so blissfully either. My girlfriend thinks im a lil cuckoo tho.. little does she know the benefits 
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acidity
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 09:40
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A little story today.....
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There was a person who was immensely spiritual and very much dedicated to his guru. Once he requires X amount of money so he went to his GURU and asked him Rs. X.
The guru being very happy with the chela, said that I will meditate and ask my GURU to give you the money. Then his GURU goes on a meditation session asking for the money from the supreme soul who is his guru.
The supreme soul readily gives this devotee the money, but then like all mortal soul the GURU kept his commison and gave his devotee the rest. The sequence continued till he reached the actual guy and when he got the money, 40% commission had already been taken.
Moral of the story: Mediate directly to reach the supreme soul. No commission would be taken
PS: This was a story told to me by the institution people where I am going for meditation courses. Just wanted to share with you people..... |
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 10:20
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On 2006-06-27 07:11, acidity wrote:
I have a question for all you people out there - how many of you meditate regularly without fail?
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Everybody does, unknowingly. 
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 10:56
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On 2006-06-25 08:18, *Karma Cola* wrote:
Hey .. i have a qustion for you guys..especially Gopendra coz he shared his knowledge of Chakras with me.
I have been practicing the chakra meditation for a little time now and i noticed one trait which has developed in me that im not accustomed to seeing. I tend to become a little different and say things i normally wouldnt, coz its not part of my character. I'm not overly aggressive or anything, its just that seem to be a little less controlling about my speech and what i say. Not scandalous or mean, just i lose a little patience.
Any explanations?..
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Look,when you start practise meditation you became more aware of things,realise more things...etc
that means that the memory of your subconcious comes up to the surface of the conciousnes more and more,that means you act and think more conciously,that means that your subconcsious mind is passing the ball to your conciousnes,that means that everything becames lit bit more difficult,because is your self now that have to control actions conciously,and not your subconcsious "auto pilot" wich starts to act little more less than your conciousnes wich starts to activate ...
Most people act unconciously and use their subconcious mind as an "auto pilot" for their actions,because their conciousnes is in deep hypnosis,and that is the easy way,the subconcsious mind have a basic memory area wich works unconciously fOR each basic action,it is like the R.O.M. read only memory of a PC.
So when you start to use ur conciousnes and act more conciously is easier to do mistakes ,but then you realise the mistake,there is no any "auto pilot"to guide you act unconciously without much thinking,is your awakened spirit that listening to your conciousnes but still not able to corperate well.
Dont worry bro thats a good sign for an awakened conciousnes,seems that you need more work with vishundha, your throat chackra needs to be controled.
~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 11:08
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On 2006-06-27 07:11, acidity wrote:
I have a question for all you people out there - how many of you meditate regularly without fail?
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The essence of daily regular meditation,spiritual practise is to make a daily program and keep ur self with little more disciple and self controled in life.
I have noticed that when I dont looose any pracctise,and done my meditation early in the morning after I woke up,and before sleep in the night,everything works perfect, like a clock...if I fail and loose one practise ,then there are some things that I miss during the day,lit bit more uncontrolled and little more less joyfull...
~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
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mysticmessiah
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Posted : Jul 3, 2006 09:29
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On 2006-06-27 07:11, acidity wrote:
I have a question for all you people out there - how many of you meditate regularly without fail?
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Everybody does, unknowingly.
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very true...
i prefer 2 think of meditatn as a state of mind where i'm tuned to wat u may call the collective unconscious...
most of the time dis happens is wen i'm travellin... U suddenly become aware of all the forces that play a part (albeit small) in providing for u while u r here...
u get this strange feeling tht ur body is not whole, in fact, it's just an extension of a much, much larger Colossus... U feel tht u belong.... here...
At other times, u r reading a book n u come across a concept tht u've never read before; but have known thruout... U knw it's been thr all along n this awakening ws no work of a split second, but it hd been coming all this while unknowingly, like the ripening of fruits!!! n u wonder if this is jus another of those mysteries we'll never answr...
The Scriptures provide some explanatn for this...
It's said tht all of us carry within ourselves knowledge. Not jus the stuff u learnd in ur conscious life, but also a tremendous reservoir of knowledge from many other lives... Knowledge of a gazillion lifetimes... Knowledge from the times we were jus nomads still scaling the earth... Knowledge frm all those expeditions, journeys, conquests, floods, fires, births, deaths...
In psychoanalysis, this is exactly called the collective Unconscious...
Getting back to the topic, meditation is wen u r fine-tuned to this State. Wen u know tht there's more to it thn meets the eye... Much more...
The chakras and all other techniques are but techniques. pranayam cn energise u n fill u with tht overwhelming sense of completeness but the quest doesn't end there. Meditation is a path to where u wanna go. There are many other ways too for eg Meerabai & Adi Shankara - theirs was the path of sublime love towards the Supreme Entity. Meerabai never practised the chakras; she wud sit n sing the most heart-rending songs of Love That was her meditational technique...
U may choose wat suits u best. After all, there are no one-ways here!!!
~~ I'm a guest in my own Reality~~
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Jul 6, 2006 10:26
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I found this on a website and it was a nice read. Wanted to share it with all of you. Here goes...
"A young American named Simon Moon, studying Zen in the Zendo (Zen school) at the New Old Lompoc House in Lompoc, California, made the mistake of reading Franz Kafka's The Trial. This sinister novel, combined with Zen training, proved too much for poor Simon. He became obsessed, intellectually and emotionally, with the strange parable about the door of the Law which Kafka inserts near the end of his story. Simon found Kafka's fable so disturbing, indeed, that it ruined his meditations, scattered his wits, and distracted him from his study of the Sutras.
Somewhat condensed, Kafka's parable goes as follows:
A man comes to the door of the Law, seeking admittance. The guard refuses to allow him to pass the door, but says that if he waits long enough, maybe, someday in the uncertain future, he might gain admittance. The man waits and waits and grows older; he tries to bribe the guard, who takes his money but still refuses to let him through the door; the man sells all his possessions to get money to offer more bribes, which the guard accepts -- but still does not allow him to enter. The guard always explains, on taking each new bribe, "I only do this so that you will not abandon hope entirely."
Eventually, the man becomes old and ill, and knows that he will soon die. In his last few moments he summons the energy to ask a question that has puzzled him over the years. "I have been told," he says to the guard, "that the Law exists for all. Why the does it happen that, in all the years I have sat here waiting, nobody else has ever come to the door of the Law?"
"This door," the guard says, "has been made only for you. And now I am going to close it forever." And he slams the door as the man dies.
The more Simon brooded on this allegory, or joke, or puzzle, the more he felt that he could never understand Zen until he first understood this strange tale. If the door existed only for that man, why could he not enter? If the builders posted a guard to keep the man out, why did they also leave the door temptingly open? Why did the guard close the previously open door, when the man had become too old to attempt to rush past him and enter? Did the Buddhist doctrine of dharma (law) have anything in common with this parable?
Did the door of the Law represent the Byzantine bureaucracy that exists in virtually every modern government, making the whole story a political satire, such as a minor bureaucrat like Kafka might have devised in his subversive off-duty hours? Or did the Law represent God, as some commentators claim, and, in that case, did Kafka intend to parody religion or to defend its devine Mystery obliquely? Did the guard who took bribes but gave nothing but empty hope in return represent the clergy, or the human intellect in general, always feasting on shadows in the absence of real Final Answers?
Eventually, near breakdown from sheer mental fatigue, Simon went to his roshi (Zen teacher) and told Kafka's story of the man who waited at the door of the Law -- the door that existed only for him but would not admit him, and was closed when death would no longer allow him to enter.
"Please," Simon begged, "explain this Dark Parable to me."
"I will explain it," the roshi said, "if you will follow me into the meditation hall."
Simon followed the teacher to the door of the meditation hall. When they got there, the teacher stepped inside quickly, turned, and slammed the door in Simon's face.
At that moment, Simon experienced Awakening."
.... What do u think?
Also given the link of the website.. credit is always due 
http://www.ganesha.ca/about.htm
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Jul 6, 2006 10:46
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On 2006-07-06 10:26, *Karma Cola* wrote:
I found this on a website and it was a nice read. Wanted to share it with all of you. Here goes...
"A young American named Simon Moon, studying Zen in the Zendo (Zen school) at the New Old Lompoc House in Lompoc, California, made the mistake of reading Franz Kafka's The Trial. This sinister novel, combined with Zen training, proved too much for poor Simon. He became obsessed, intellectually and emotionally, with the strange parable about the door of the Law which Kafka inserts near the end of his story. Simon found Kafka's fable so disturbing, indeed, that it ruined his meditations, scattered his wits, and distracted him from his study of the Sutras.
Somewhat condensed, Kafka's parable goes as follows:
A man comes to the door of the Law, seeking admittance. The guard refuses to allow him to pass the door, but says that if he waits long enough, maybe, someday in the uncertain future, he might gain admittance. The man waits and waits and grows older; he tries to bribe the guard, who takes his money but still refuses to let him through the door; the man sells all his possessions to get money to offer more bribes, which the guard accepts -- but still does not allow him to enter. The guard always explains, on taking each new bribe, "I only do this so that you will not abandon hope entirely."
Eventually, the man becomes old and ill, and knows that he will soon die. In his last few moments he summons the energy to ask a question that has puzzled him over the years. "I have been told," he says to the guard, "that the Law exists for all. Why the does it happen that, in all the years I have sat here waiting, nobody else has ever come to the door of the Law?"
"This door," the guard says, "has been made only for you. And now I am going to close it forever." And he slams the door as the man dies.
The more Simon brooded on this allegory, or joke, or puzzle, the more he felt that he could never understand Zen until he first understood this strange tale. If the door existed only for that man, why could he not enter? If the builders posted a guard to keep the man out, why did they also leave the door temptingly open? Why did the guard close the previously open door, when the man had become too old to attempt to rush past him and enter? Did the Buddhist doctrine of dharma (law) have anything in common with this parable?
Did the door of the Law represent the Byzantine bureaucracy that exists in virtually every modern government, making the whole story a political satire, such as a minor bureaucrat like Kafka might have devised in his subversive off-duty hours? Or did the Law represent God, as some commentators claim, and, in that case, did Kafka intend to parody religion or to defend its devine Mystery obliquely? Did the guard who took bribes but gave nothing but empty hope in return represent the clergy, or the human intellect in general, always feasting on shadows in the absence of real Final Answers?
Eventually, near breakdown from sheer mental fatigue, Simon went to his roshi (Zen teacher) and told Kafka's story of the man who waited at the door of the Law -- the door that existed only for him but would not admit him, and was closed when death would no longer allow him to enter.
"Please," Simon begged, "explain this Dark Parable to me."
"I will explain it," the roshi said, "if you will follow me into the meditation hall."
Simon followed the teacher to the door of the meditation hall. When they got there, the teacher stepped inside quickly, turned, and slammed the door in Simon's face.
At that moment, Simon experienced Awakening."
.... What do u think?
Also given the link of the website.. credit is always due
http://www.ganesha.ca/about.htm
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dont try to be coz u already are
@karma cola
bro u sud see this tibetian movie called 'samsara' realesed worldwide in 2001 and in india jus few weeks bak it's a really must see
peace
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