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Atheism vs. Religion
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rich
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Posted : Jan 22, 2009 19:34
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Happy to see reference to Brave New World. That book opened my eyes and started me on my journey to understand the spiritual life I had been raised with but had not yet reconciled with my rational mind. Ah, college days 
Brave New World Revisited is the author's essay about the book, which I also highly recommend.
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 22, 2009 21:25
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In a better world everybody would be given a chance to examine the evidence and then make their mind. Young minds are so vulnerable to everything. Planting those religious ideas there in early childhood is imo nothing sort of brain rape. We've seen it here too, that argument from personal experience: "I know it was God.." You never had a chance..
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Posted : Jan 22, 2009 23:04
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jajajaja, I agree with you traveler in a real free world parent shouldnt be llowed to educate their sons in a single religion, maybe from 12 or 15 there should been courses on moral, ethics and some history of religion.
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rich
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Posted : Jan 22, 2009 23:57
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On 2009-01-22 23:04, Login wrote:
jajajaja, I agree with you traveler in a real free world parent shouldnt be llowed to educate their sons in a single religion, maybe from 12 or 15 there should been courses on moral, ethics and some history of religion.
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12 to 15 is too late, believe me. Morals and ethics should be taught, and perhaps more importantly shown by example, at a much younger age. Learned that from experience.
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bbgun
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Posted : Jan 23, 2009 16:43
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The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
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PsychoAlien
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Posted : Jan 25, 2009 12:39
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it is not that religion is the wrong doing in the world, but humans using religion to do wrong...
what is bad or good is all relative, so the real question is HOW are we applying the tools/knowledge of religion as oppose to atheism isn't it? |
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Zoolog
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Posted : Jan 28, 2009 13:19
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Im totally pro-Dawkins !
People should believe whatever perverted sick stuff they want - but dont teach it to our children ! 
I grew up a christian and is now a atheist, more than anything else... I dont believe in "nothing" -but i believe what I want!
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Jan 29, 2009 06:00
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(no disrespect to any religion) but I often feel as though the majority of atheists became atheists after being Christians first. just something I noticed, Im not saying that its a fact, just something ive seen from personal experience.
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 29, 2009 15:25
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On 2009-01-29 06:00, ohmshantiohm wrote:
(no disrespect to any religion) but I often feel as though the majority of atheists became atheists after being Christians first. just something I noticed, Im not saying that its a fact, just something ive seen from personal experience.
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Nice observation and probably true. I'm guessing there are 2 big contributing factors.
1. Christianity is the religion of western countries which tend to have superiour schools. There kids just might learn about evolution and big bang and scientific methdod and such. Also you're not stoned to death or something if you happen to say out loud that you think that maybe there's no god..
2. There are a lot more moderate Christians than moderate Muslims or Hindus or whatever. As parents moderates might spare their children from 100% brainwash/brain rape and thus these kids have a chance of making their own mind.
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rich
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Posted : Jan 29, 2009 19:21
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There also seems to be more of a 'rebellion' by people raised Catholic (Catholic schools etc) than other religions (my observation).
Probably because it's pushed so hard down their throats that it comes up equally as hard.
Though I've witnessed those people that I know who rebelled against their Catholic upbringing, over the years I see them slowly start to find their way back to spirituality, but not in the form they were forced to practice, but a more holistic and open form, of their own inclination.
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Jan 29, 2009 20:37
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or people from parents with different religions, and lived in a country where they made war based on religion and ethnic differences. but that's a bit extreme example, also personally experienced
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 16:15
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I'll just be brutally honest and say that the biggest group of atheists is not any mentioned so far, but rather spoiled rich kids that want to think they're better but not via money. It really doesn't matter what country the person comes from, but generally speaking, people of humble origins do not feel the need for philosophical extravagance.
In the exact same way as the religious clergy look at outsiders as "unsaved souls that have not found the joy and light of *insert deity here*", atheists look at others. Defining your spiritual beliefs as "I do not believe in a higher power" before anything else, is exactly as religious people say (without the 'not'). Labeling oneself an atheist is saying "disagree with me and you're wrong" in spiritual definition. Choosing that and not another philosophical definition that doesn't involve a higher power (for instance: secular humanist, agnostic, existentialist, nihilist, etc) means that your main spiritual trait is condescension.
Just two cents for those who define themselves as atheists - maybe you should follow a path that is for something and not only against other ideas.
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 17:30
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or I should follow a path which I choose and not the one which others choose for me.
as already said everyone has right to choose their path (philosophy, believe) if you choose to be against all it's your right.
and at the statement that does't matter from where you are, well it does. for one or other reason as we take europe as example, the people from north (like The Netherlands, Belgium, scandinavian countries also Brittain) have much more cold blood thinking when the religions come up and also to speak the out as atheists then for example in soutern part countries as Italy, Spain.
but this has also his historical reasons but also there are differences in mentality. there are just people who believes things which are not seen or physically proven much easier then others.
just 2 cents for those who choose by them own what to belive and what not
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 21:51
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On 2009-01-30 16:15, Kaz wrote:
Labeling oneself an atheist is saying "disagree with me and you're wrong" in spiritual definition. Choosing that and not another philosophical definition that doesn't involve a higher power (for instance: secular humanist, agnostic, existentialist, nihilist, etc) means that your main spiritual trait is condescension.
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settle down now, heheh. are you saying atheism is incompatible with secular humanism, existentialism, etc??
and what's with the rich kid theory about atheism? that is a really ridiculous OPINION, imo heheh.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 22:07
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I'm saying that secular humanism doesn't involve a higher power, but isn't first saying "I don't believe in God" but rather saying what you *do* believe in. Saying what you don't believe in as a definition is like telling someone who is drinking grape juice that asks you what you like to drink "not grape juice".
Anyone has a right to believe what they will, but they should know what they're doing
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