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Artists with a `message`
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Yidam
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 09:25
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Yawning's a start of a good mushy trip so maybe uve stumbled onto something there Pavel! 
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 12:37
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On 2007-01-02 05:50, Aluxe wrote:
Maybe the issue is not about who has messages, but about what messages you like or dislike.
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Aha. We're on to a winner here folks. Now just hold that thought and expand one thing. Music is subjective as hell. You see, when I listen to for example ambient, I like to put my imagination to work. Imagination is a personal thing, so while you could be thinking about world peace while listening to Carbon Based Lifeforms 'World Of Sleepers' song, I would think about floating around in the ocean. Get it?
And yes, music with lyrics gets the job done a lot better when you want to hammer a message down. If for example I see a song titled "Fuck America" in psytrance and there's no sample whatsoever in it, then the title doesn't matter really. If you close your eyes and listen to music without lyrics, everyone's imagination goes to work and most of the time a message to make the world better doesn't really hit home. You'd really have to spell it out inside the booklet and that's just what most cd's in psytrance don't do. And even if they did, most people in this scene don't even read the booklets in the cd (setting aside the people who downloaded mp3's because then they don't even have the booklet).
And that is why musicgenres like rock, metal, punk etc. hit the message home a lot harder and better, simply because those scenes are a lot bigger and broader than this scene and the fact lyrics are printed in the booklets (or even on sites like www.darklyrics.com or www.azlyrics.com).
And my question remains to all those world bettering psyartists: If one assumes you want to make a big message then why the hell are you in the psytrance scene? Chances are you won't reach a broad public, ie warn a lot of people to do something about the world. Isn't that exactly what you're aiming at?
 "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 12:45
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On 2007-01-02 12:37, Acidhive wrote:
And my question remains to all those world bettering psyartists: If one assumes you want to make a big message then why the hell are you in the psytrance scene? Chances are you won't reach a broad public, ie warn a lot of people to do something about the world. Isn't that exactly what you're aiming at? |
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Now this is where I don't agree and think it's narrow way of thinking.
Does messages always have to be output as BIG messages to as many as possible people?
To me the answer is very simple. No!
The point is that an artist should speak his mind if he think he has something to say and deliver that message in whatever music he love. Not according to the size of the scene or how many people that buy the music.
Everything else could be seen as false and not at all comimg from the heart. On the contrary it can very easy be seen as commerical exploitation which will make the message or cause look misplaced.
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 14:13
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On 2007-01-02 12:45, TrippyJohnny wrote:
The point is that an artist should speak his mind if he think he has something to say and deliver that message in whatever music he love. Not according to the size of the scene or how many people that buy the music.
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...and that's the truth! 
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 15:22
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On 2007-01-02 12:45, TrippyJohnny wrote:
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On 2007-01-02 12:37, Acidhive wrote:
And my question remains to all those world bettering psyartists: If one assumes you want to make a big message then why the hell are you in the psytrance scene? Chances are you won't reach a broad public, ie warn a lot of people to do something about the world. Isn't that exactly what you're aiming at? |
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Now this is where I don't agree and think it's narrow way of thinking.
Does messages always have to be output as BIG messages to as many as possible people?
To me the answer is very simple. No!
The point is that an artist should speak his mind if he think he has something to say and deliver that message in whatever music he love. Not according to the size of the scene or how many people that buy the music.
Everything else could be seen as false and not at all comimg from the heart. On the contrary it can very easy be seen as commerical exploitation which will make the message or cause look misplaced.
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I agree that artists are free in expressing messages whenever they want. Whether you agree with them is a second thing. Anyway, I find it strange that people get angry and upset when I speak my mind. I thought you were all so open to other ways of thinking? Doesn't show here. Whenever I say what's on my mind it seems that people want to slag me off. I don't find that to be a very open way of communicating with people. If you want to make the world better I'd say start with yourself. I'm willing to make a few steps in admitting artist can do whatever they want and maybe it's nice to do that in a relatively small scene. So there, I've done my part.
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 15:31
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On 2007-01-02 15:22, Acidhive wrote:
, I find it strange that people get angry and upset when I speak my mind. I thought you were all so open to other ways of thinking? Doesn't show here. Whenever I say what's on my mind it seems that people want to slag me off. I don't find that to be a very open way of communicating with people. If you want to make the world better I'd say start with yourself. I'm willing to make a few steps in admitting artist can do whatever they want and maybe it's nice to do that in a relatively small scene. So there, I've done my part. |
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Ahhh come on now. If you are thinking about my post then please be a bit less fragile. Where on earth did I slagg you off? My post was nothing to do with being upset or angry. I was debating and disagreeing about one point in your previous post
You as anyone else has every right to your opinion but there should be room to disagree with you without being accused of slagging you off and being upset and angry
I think I am pretty openminded musicalwise and listen to a lot of different music with the exception of two genres that gives me the creeps (not much in a world of multiple genres) and I could never dream of telling people to do something against their will no matter how much I disagree with them. But I will debate why i disagree
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 17:48
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On 2007-01-02 15:31, TrippyJohnny wrote:
I think I am pretty openminded musicalwise and listen to a lot of different music with the exception of two genres that gives me the creeps (not much in a world of multiple genres) and I could never dream of telling people to do something against their will no matter how much I disagree with them. But I will debate why i disagree
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You're making me curious: What are those genres that give you the creeps if you don't mind me asking?
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jan 5, 2007 08:52
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If you close your eyes and listen to music without lyrics, everyone's imagination goes to work and most of the time a message to make the world better doesn't really hit home. |
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I disagree with you here. I think that simply creating something beautiful is like a prayer for a better world. Beauty speaks for itself.
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rajatrao6
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Posted : Jan 5, 2007 09:13
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On 2007-01-05 08:52, Psycosmo wrote:
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If you close your eyes and listen to music without lyrics, everyone's imagination goes to work and most of the time a message to make the world better doesn't really hit home. |
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I disagree with you here. I think that simply creating something beautiful is like a prayer for a better world. Beauty speaks for itself.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 5, 2007 11:49
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to just catch a person with a melody thats communicating some sort of feeling is lovely.
whatever it might be, which ever feeling you evoke.
we all know music awake and evoke feelings inside of us.
there are known ways of doing this. and many ways aswell. but as music is highly subjective and connected to memories and experiences we all react differently to certain music, even if a song is sad dont mean that we all react with sadness, we might just think its very beautiful, but if the track was played at a relatives funeral we might react with grief.
Humor, happyness, uplifting, euphoria,
Anger, sadness, melancholy,
there are more emotions probably and i guess we all react differently on these emotions. even if they are some what basic human emotions, but when processed in our brain we see them very personally.
so the message the artist wants to deliver dosent necessary have the same effect on everyone.
So in a sense the message is made up by our selfs.
though this is really something to discuss.
http://www.dsokids.com/2001/dso.asp?PageID=523
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dE.Tonatik
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Posted : Jan 5, 2007 12:06
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jan 5, 2007 12:33
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On 2007-01-05 11:49, Freeflow wrote:
so the message the artist wants to deliver dosent necessary have the same effect on everyone.
So in a sense the message is made up by our selfs.
though this is really something to discuss.
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I agree completely and that's been my point all along. It's just a shame people won't see it. For example I've listened to Vegetal's "And the legions bow to a faceless God". Now, while I like the track, it doesn't make me wanna change the world. Even stronger, it doesn't make me think about world problems. It's a stompin' track, but I get no message from it besides groove There is a sample in it somewhere, but it's not really clear to me what that's trying to communicate. Maybe Vegetal can enlighten this himself?
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Pt.
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Posted : Jan 5, 2007 17:18
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A message can and most often is as pure and simple as a sample saying IE. "stop whispering about me !!" (followed by whispering samples) .. Somethibng to get your thoughtstream rolling ..get your freak on, get your paranOia on! OOooohhh yeah! fun fun 
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Magox
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Posted : Jan 7, 2007 13:02
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to each his own........if someone wants to make music with the purpose of ´´changing the world´´ and someone decides to buy it or listen to and likes it.....then so be it.
if another person wants to just stomp all night and smile and not think of ´´changing the world´´ while listenin to music, i think this is wonderful as well.....
personally involving politics and religion in music is not for me.
when i am at a festival, enjoying my friends, enjoying the location, the vibes, the music, the `goodies` and most importantly for me the dancing.... politics and religion is the furthest thing from my mind...
for me the message that is communicated to me in psytrance is ``FREEDOM´´..... the freedom to feel the way i please and do as i please (being conscience of everyone around me of course).
i respect other people´s views of things......even the one´s that make no sense to me. Simply because it is their view and that is how they feel about it.
However; opinions out of ignorance sometimes can be slightly destructive.....in my views, most people that were in the 60´s movement that hailed ``peace on earth´´ just like todays people that do the same.....are very ignorant of the complicated matters of world politics and internal pressures that many countries face.
and it has become very popular now a dayz just to say ``fuck america´´ ``fuck bush´´ , ``fuck israel´´, when really that person has no idea of the complicated matters that involve the decisions that are made.....
im not here to defend america or bush or israel or anyone.......all i am saying is that people that are ``creating art´´ or voicing these opinions........most of the time.....
they have no idea what they are talking about..... they do it, because it is the ``in ´´ thing to say..... and this is destructive because it spreads hate in my view......
im not saying that vegetable or you other guyz are doing that.....im making a general comment about these statements and how they are applied in art, music and in general conversation.....
the last thing im thinking about when im listening to trance is politics... jaja
but as i said earlier.........too each his own....
do whatever makes you happy.
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Thanatos
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Posted : Jan 7, 2007 17:53
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no message in lastcoming dark tracks, no ideas, just stupid boom boom boom |
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