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chillcode
Chillcode Records
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 18:03:06
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i read about the entheogenic "discussion"/bashing, here my point of view ...
imho, bashings are usually about big and wellknown artist, you can see and read in this forum that artists like shpongle, infected mushroom, astral projection, yahel and entheogenic get bashed in several more or less levelless discussions. its similar in pop music (best examples michael jackson, britney spears), most bashed artists ever. it seems the more established or sucessfull the artists are, the more they polarize and the more the number of envier and dis-lovers grows. if you dont think so ... why the small artist are not affected? never read about bashing of an small artist.
however, when someone simply dont likes the music he could say in in an fittingly way like "its not my cup of chill" or similar. i cant understand comments like "this is pure crap" or similar immature stuff, there is actually no reason to devalue works of an artists by using insulting or abusive words. the only reason which cause such kind of comments is enviousness. enviousness and disfavor causes hostility. and hostility and disfavor are espressed in comments like written above like "pure crap" etc ...
i have nothing against criticising an artist, but it should be critic in a fair and constructive way. the artist have worked hard on the album and composing music is their way of life and passion and this should be respected. there is no reason to devalue an artist work if someone does not like it. artist, labelowners or other people who did this should think about. some comments which i read here sounds quite small-minded.
also i can not understand and find it quite adventurous when an artist is judging about entheogenic by using a disrespectful comment like "pure crap", whose works are far away from in view of success and way of production.
stay chilled 
thomas
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Outolintu
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 18:59
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you forgot skazi from your list. but like to all rules there must be atleast one exception: psy-nina. what a load of bashing even before the 1st album was released. and he or she or who ever it is is still no "big name" in the same sense as others mentioned above
why did you start a new topic and not give your input on the already existing topics? very nice, decent and chill(cod)ed post all in all but then you had to slip in a little punch at the end. tssk tskk... 
but i'm with you concerning constructive criticism. nothing beats it! 
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lucidpicnic
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 19:14
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i didn't hear the album yet. all i can say is i'm not a big entheogenic fan. "its not my cup of chill" lets say, like how you wanted it to be said "fittingly".
about this whole argument,
i think there is 2 sides, the "be more polite people" vs "tell what you want to people".
oh and a little bit discussed about if - the big and wellknown artists - Entheogenic deserves the comments.
"pure crap" was one of the comments.
and by the way i see no point of making a difference betweeen an artist on artist comment and someone on artist comment.
in my opinion everyone can say everything about someones art, thing, shit whatsoever.
i know moreno, and i dont think there can be any urge like "ohh lets say some shit about those basterds, cause i dont like them ahahaha"
he didn't and he gave his reasons why he thinks like that. which was ,again, imo pretty acceptable.
"it should be critic in a fair and constructive way" you say thomas, well if someones calls your stuff pure crap it can be constructive. should look destructive but in many senses constructive.
+ there is nothing wrong with destructive critisizm.
didnt want to get into this since people could think i am not subjective since i had released some tracks via peak. but what the hell?
there is no need to making a big deal of this stuff.
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"also i can not understand and find it quite adventurous when an artist is judging about entheogenic by using a disrespectful comment like "pure crap", whose works are far away from in view of success and way of production."
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if i would be beliving in respect concept like yours, i would have call that disrespectful.
stay chilled
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chillcode
Chillcode Records
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 19:26
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On 2008-04-05 18:59, Outolintu wrote:
you forgot skazi from your list. but like to all rules there must be atleast one exception: psy-nina. what a load of bashing even before the 1st album was released. and he or she or who ever it is is still no "big name" in the same sense as others mentioned above
why did you start a new topic and not give your input on the already existing topics? very nice, decent and chill(cod)ed post all in all but then you had to slip in a little punch at the end. tssk tskk...
but i'm with you concerning constructive criticism. nothing beats it!
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to answer your questions, outolintu ...
1. psy-nina you can´t compare ... as girl releasing an album apparently causes problems, nobody would care about it if a man had "created" the album. bashings yes, but mock was here the reason, not enviousness. like you can see also on dali´s album hectic ;-)
2. shahar proposed to open a new topic about the entheogenic theme, so i did.
cheers
thomas
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rodram
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Posted : Apr 6, 2008 23:24
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On 2008-04-05 18:03:06, chillcode wrote:
i read about the entheogenic "discussion"/bashing, here my point of view ...
imho, bashings are usually about big and wellknown artist, you can see and read in this forum that artists like shpongle, infected mushroom, astral projection, yahel and entheogenic get bashed in several more or less levelless discussions. its similar in pop music (best examples michael jackson, britney spears), most bashed artists ever. it seems the more established or sucessfull the artists are, the more they polarize and the more the number of envier and dis-lovers grows. if you dont think so ... why the small artist are not affected? never read about bashing of an small artist.
however, when someone simply dont likes the music he could say in in an fittingly way like "its not my cup of chill" or similar. i cant understand comments like "this is pure crap" or similar immature stuff, there is actually no reason to devalue works of an artists by using insulting or abusive words. the only reason which cause such kind of comments is enviousness. enviousness and disfavor causes hostility. and hostility and disfavor are espressed in comments like written above like "pure crap" etc ...
i have nothing against criticising an artist, but it should be critic in a fair and constructive way. the artist have worked hard on the album and composing music is their way of life and passion and this should be respected. there is no reason to devalue an artist work if someone does not like it. artist, labelowners or other people who did this should think about. some comments which i read here sounds quite small-minded.
also i can not understand and find it quite adventurous when an artist is judging about entheogenic by using a disrespectful comment like "pure crap", whose works are far away from in view of success and way of production.
stay chilled
thomas
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You said it all very well!
And with respect too.
Interesting after all this envie, I found out that it was all about a new Interchill release with Maux or whatever his name is, pretty desperate action in my opinion.
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energy
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Posted : Apr 6, 2008 23:33
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You said it all very well!
And with respect too.
Interesting after all this envie, I found out that it was all about a new Interchill release with Maux or whatever his name is, pretty desperate action in my opinion.
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I thought so too, it was only a label and some artists who started it to gain some attention, or maybe they cant handle the success of others, dont know what their fears are.
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Mali
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Posted : Apr 6, 2008 23:40
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I was disgust by the whole attitude of those involved, it showed no respect and yes, lots of fear , certainly it has nothing to do with the chill spirit on this forum.
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psydance
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Posted : Apr 6, 2008 23:55
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On 2008-04-06 23:40, Mali wrote:
I was disgust by the whole attitude of those involved, it showed no respect and yes, lots of fear , certainly it has nothing to do with the chill spirit on this forum.
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+1
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maka
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 00:22
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100% spot on ! insecurities..........
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Abasio
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 04:06
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Respect where respect is due.
If an artist has worked hard then he or she probably deserves some respect when people criticise their work.
I hate reading comments like "this is too housey he has obviously sold out" or similar things. Some people just cannot understand that people have different opinions & tastes to themselves. Some people love guitars in Trance some people don't some people love shanti samples others don't. Like Solar Quest's recent output was far from my taste but I can feel that a lot of work has gone into it & it's well made so hearing people bash how crap it is because they were disappointed with the style. Same with Juno Reactor's last album which I loved but as it was not a psy album it got bashed to fuck.
On the other hand though that last album from 1200 Mics was lazy & disrespectful to fans & I think they more than deserved to be bashed. I mean they actually put the same track twice on the album 
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 06:58
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re...Interesting after all this envie, I found out that it was all about a new Interchill release with Maux or whatever his name is, pretty desperate action in my opinion
with respect, if you look back at what different people said, and how they said it, you may realise that the topic has zero to do with Maux's album - something i only mentioned at the end in any case.
As Thomas points out, ideally, if people want to express their opinions, they'll do it in a respectful way and giving their reasons. hard to argue with that... it would improve the substance of the posts.
still, there's something i keep reading between the lines that strikes me - ; the idea that nobody is a better judge of anything than anyone else - everyone's judgement is equal.
it is a comfortable position to take... democratic in its fairness.
while i don't wish to suggest even slightly that my own judgement is better than anyone else's, I personally don't accept that all answers or opinions are correct just because they are given or held.
subjectivity is actually something of value when it comes to A&R or DJ'ing... or writing, or art in general.
a large part of this business / life involves being discerning - making choices you have reason to believe are the best ones.
relativism is lame... i'd rather hear a well reasoned argument that i do not agree with than be told that all opinions are the same... I'd rather listen to a dj mix than put the cd player on random. I'd rather pay Greg Hunter do a remix than some bedroom dj.
too bad the thread did not remain on the substance of the discussion.
trust your judgement ...
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maux
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 13:01
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aum
should I write here or there ?
thanks Chillcode for displacing us even more and for the lecture about manners and codes...it sounds you are a well educated person...with no fear and envy...you should be close to nirvana soon....show us the shortcut pls.
I have the feeling you guys give me more importance than what I reserve.
the statement that the all story was about promoting my album is funny as much it would be to say that Master Margherita was actually payed by Entheogenic to start a rant about them...and to do even more promotion to their fantastic album....
I haven't started any rant on entheo, and I haven't done any comment about their music....pls QUOTE me if you can....
this is really funny....now I am the envious one...mah....you guys trying to flip an omelette...and you end up with badly scrambled eggs.
the only thing I was concerned about was the freedom of expressing opinions (yes, also the destructive ones)...and I was showing solidariety with MM who was under the attack of a mob of furious entheo fans....
that's it....I haven't insulted anyone...I didn't diminished the entheo work and so on,,,,and to be super honest with you...if I have to be envious of someone elses music and career I would choose something more important and rich than entheogenic...who are a very big fish in this small aquarium...but a small sardine out of here....
(ahahaha////sorry thomas but putting them next to that pedofil of Michael Jackson is a bit hilarious,....ahahahah....thanks for the laugh)...
no...in this case I am not interested in any constructive criticism (what a lame idea)...expecially becuase I am 1000% sure that Entheo ppl don't give a holy f***ck about it....and I don't give the same holy fu#~~~k about them./...
I personally think that promoting music saying that it is the definitive soundtrack for enlightened shamans is pure bollocks, and that it is actually very disrespectful for those magic substances...if you desire we can easy fill up few pages of this blue window with serious discussion about it....again maybe is too complex for this arena.
this forum exells for touchyness....everyone is holding his/her underpants very tight....
and critics are not well accepted....maybe this is chilled attitude for you...oh well...I am not chilled then...and I am quite happy to not be an arse kisser.
to go back to the topic that mr Thomas started:
I think that an artist has all the right to critic and destruct somebody elses music if he feels like...
creation through destruction...it rings the bell ?....somebody knows who is Shiva here ?
ACTUALLY....expecially an artist is entitled to do that...since at least he know what is talking about...and he/she has some knowledge about music production....WHILE instead the critics or the compliments of the fans and the listeners and even the label managers stops at an aestetic judgment and cannot go deeper than that...since they don't know what is happening behind the scenes...and no idea about how that sweet cake is cooked.
and doing so an artist is also exposing himself to critics...while instead most of you have nothing to loose.
I think that the fear in this case is not on my side.
It's easy to win wars when you have more soldiers, better weapons, and more money.
stay hot
btw: my album is coming out in one month....a bit early to start a heavy promotion campaign....but you are welcome to continue it. ;-)
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Gunter
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 18:40
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I don`t know, if this is worth so much discussion and thinking. People have different tastes. And people should be aloowed to express there thoughts freely also.
No prob, with MM`s statement actualy, it`s his opinion, and this is a forum. |
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maka
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 22:12
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On 2008-04-07 13:01, maux wrote:
that's it....I haven't insulted anyone...
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uhmm,.. seems thats what you do best,...
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 22:34
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can you find a quote from maux in these threads where he insults someone ?
the only personal insults i saw just now when i scanned the posts came from Shahar... and were followed by the Borat like "not" disclaimer in the next para.
ironic
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