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karnaf
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Posted : Feb 16, 2004 18:49
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Can you please tell me why some artists feel like they own the world? Some act like they're f#$#king madonna or something.
Examples:
An artist who brings a friend to join the tour and expect the organizer to pamper the friend too (worse case when it's a GF or BF).
An artist demanding the organiser to be his servant - drive him around, bring him stuff  ...
An artist expecting to bring a zillion buddies to the gig, for free of course.
An artist changing the price settled at the last moment, forcing the organiser to pay more.
For me, an artist coming to play is like a businessman - you come to a different country to work - get your own fu#@cking hotel room, get your own entertainment, food, whatever, get your own stuff. Be at the appointed place at the appointed time and play. That's your job.
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Feb 16, 2004 19:10
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Of course I don't agree the artist has any right to take friends or gf, and expect organizers to pay for it.
About the demanding for driving around and bringing some stuff...I think this is a bit relative...its not that you demand, but isnt it nice if they do it?
Also, if its a big party, I see no problem in asking to put 2-3 friends in the list, its nice to have friends around to support you and they might not be able to go if they have to pay. Besides, what are 2-3 persons in a party?? It will only ensure the artist will be more at ease and probably do a better job in my opinion.
Changing the price at last moment?That is definetelly not accepted...But I think is more normal for the organizer to try to pay less than the artist triyng to get more...
And as a businessman contrated from a company, for a quick job in a foreing countrie (its not like hes gonna live there) I think its more than normal to want a hotel booked. If a company asks you to go to a foreing countrie do like a 2-3 day task, its more than normal that they will get book a hotel for you.
Specially if you play like 2-4 times a month, you don't want to be always going around looking for hotels and stuff.
Yes, I agree that some artists do behave like superstars, but I think those are exceptions and should just wake up for reality.
But its nothing comparing with pop stars.
I definetelly think artists deserve some attention and care specially when they go and play in countries unknown to them, at least hotel booked and ride to party (of course only if he/she wishes so)
Some spliffs would be welcomed also  hehehe
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Trip-
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Posted : Feb 16, 2004 19:11
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what do you mean ? he's an artist dude!
but seriously, the bottom line here is just not take things for granted. If some organizers are extra kind ppl - and that's how we ppl are in our scene, they make your trip a worthwhile.....
But don't take it for granted folks.
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Yuli
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Posted : Feb 16, 2004 19:29
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I believe that artists should behave like businessmen and do their thing fairly.. But u must remember it is still show biz, and for sure it aint no hollywood but some artists from our scene might be aiming there..
One thing is for sure. And no sarcastic remark here - if the artist comes with a GF / BF the organizer should take care of both and no problem with that - usually the organizer knows that there should be a treatment for 2
But Karnaf my friend
Much more times I encountered organizers that the whole event I was running after them to get tickets for drink or food, then artists doing shit to organizers
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NeutroN
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Posted : Feb 16, 2004 21:26
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IMO artist shouldnt demand to much (all with in limits - just put ur self on the other persons shoes) and also organizers shouldnt suck up to much. I feel it is a bit disrespectfull for someone to demand stuff, but me as a nice and polite person always offer to ppl if i have any stuff, if i dont i wont offer and i wont run after just to please someone.
As fluo said i dont see any problems with only 2-3 ppl in the guest list. but more than that its just a bit out of order and normal ppl should be sensible enough to realise that.
concerning the change in prices i dont have nothing to say apart from say that is just wrong if is settled is settled full stop.
Yuli i feel for u man, I just wish that some organizers actually look for the word organize in the dictionary before calling themselves that.
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peter
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Posted : Feb 16, 2004 21:52
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I am with Fluo on this!
Of course artist should be able to bring their GF or BF.
And of course they should have a good hotel room.
Get their own food ???
If you can not afford their hotel and food don't invite them.
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 16, 2004 22:38
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In show biz,like in everyday life,there are two kinds of people,the good ones and the bad ones,in every aspect.
You can find good organisers that keep their promises and are absolutely perfect in their attitude towards the artists and you can find bad organisers that create problems to their artists by usually not keeping their word in their aggreements.
The same applies to artists,you can have a good artist who is 100% professional and friendly in every aspect,you can even become friends with him and keep contact in the future.On the other hand you can have a strange guy who will not act profesionally at all and even ask you for dumb things (in even the most strange times of the day or night) and be a pain in the ass.
The conclusion is to filter out who the good and who the bad guys are in this business so that you can work with the first and fuck the rest
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Kaz
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 02:16
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I know artists that ask for very low amounts of money (or none at all) - IF the organizer will take care of a place to stay, fun stuff to do and things to eat/drink/smoke. If an artist is big enough to demand more, he is a businessman after all.
If you want an artist to be in a different country for a week and pay him 200 euros, that means that all his transportation, accomodation and other needs will be under 30 euro a day. If the guy smokes cigarettes and wants a little pot, he ends up spending money in order to play at a party. DO YOU THINK ARTISTS SHOULD PAY IN ORDER TO PLAY?
An organizer should settle all these details BEFORE the flight, that way, both the artist and the organizer know what to expect. If an artist should be a businessman - that holds 5 times as much to the party organizer which needs to think about all the financial details of his party. You want an artist to pay for everything when he stays - don't expect him to charge less than flight tickets and 500 euros. You want him to cut corners and stuff, well, get him a place to sleep, food to eat, things to smoke. If an organizer doesn't make sure these details are perfectly clear to the artist before he comes, it's not the artist that isn't a businessman, it's the organizer that should worry about organizing things.
Vasquez when he recently came to Israel (I know he's not a psytrance DJ) DEMANDED that beyond his pay, he will stay only in 5 star hotels, a limo to drive him around and a rumor that he also wanted a shitload of white stuff to ummm... powder his nose with. And to bring his entire mixing setup from home (express and first class shipping, naturally). And all kinds of other demands. But since this was agreed on before the gig, and the organizers were businessmen, they took care of all that. Everyone was ok with this, even though the DJ wanted a hollywood-celebrity-all-the-way treatment.
A good business deal is when everyone is happy with what happens, and what happens was exactly as agreed on by both sides.
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Vicky
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 12:39
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hmm karnaf
frankly i havent seen any artist doing and behaving like that (have met only a few tough)
infact few of them like kluster, darksoho rizo and more whom i met were very very cooperative and without any hangups for watsoever
basic facilities the artists expect - but not more than that they DEMAND - but yes, it will defi be nice on the organisers part to take care of the artist well.
yes agree with flouro in total.
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nobody4
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 13:11
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I agree that we are a small scene, and our biggest artists are not even a drop in the sea comparing to other scenes.
However, Karnaf, you must remember that when a foreign artist is comming as a guest to a different country, he is dependent on the organizer of every detail of his staying. You land in a foreign city, different language, different currency and prices - U need the organizer to take a good care of you with accomodations (which should be pre-arranged, since artists are travelling and need to rest before/after the gig), transportation (in a foreign city u want to depend on a foreign artist to find a taxi and know where to get to? see Dado's visit to Copenhagen for example) and food.
You are the host, and although I agree that not all demands need to be accepted (you dont have to deal drugs for the artist if you're not into it), I hate to come to places and get dragged after the organizer here and there after several hours of travel (usualy leaving early in the morning/night) with all my bags - you get to the gig so tired and exausted, and I'm sure the organizer dont want that.
About GF/companion, well, this shouldn't be a part of the fee, if this or that artist wants to bring a companion with him, he should do it out of his own pocket - he can ask for higher gig price, but that's the organizer's problem if he agrees or not.
Paying for restaurants / drugs / chicks / entertainment is pure courtsy, I know many promoters who won't let their artists put a hand close to their wallets and I think its good attitude, but not mandatory. Taking a guest businessman to a dinner is a normal business custom everywhere, and it certainly a good habit in our scene (again, a foreigner could use the local help of the organizer who knows where and what is good).
I also apreciate artists who are flexible, and can understand changes in different countries. Some artists demand their 'due', but some (and suprisingly the bigger ones who actualy deserve a better treatment) are very easy-going and are ready to accept changes and difference in attitude.
just remember that you are not michael jackson...
regards,
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droid
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 13:56
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well, i organize parties in spain for 6 years, and in this time i find great people and also some "stars" with a diferent attittude, i don´t want say names.
Maybe the people need understand , in trance all is important, from the artist to the dancers, the deco , the security and off course the promoter. Simple
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a3k
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 14:34
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u don´t make gigs...well another one will do it 4 u...
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s0ft
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 15:08
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why dont organizers write up legal contracts (its not that hard to make one, at least in the USA)? then there would be no problems... or if there is they could just look at the contract which they neither artist or organizer can get out of. |
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beru777
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 15:58
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"why dont organizers write up legal contracts"
Absolutely... that's what serious people do. Write a contract which lays everything out in clear terms, then, no one will be disappointed.
Beru
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 17, 2004 16:15
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Contracts dont work trust me.
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