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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 23:11
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Ok here we go again.
ITCHE except that you are afraid (for unknown reasons) to reveal your name you are talking nonsense with no clues and saying things like 'an artist whose name you dont need to know complains about messy arrangements' and 'these are not my words its words i listen to from other people who complain',if you think that by hiding behind a nickname and saying things from your fiction (cause thats what you do) will hurt me or make me feel offended then sorry but i can only laugh by your whole attitude so far (and i am preety sure i am not the only one feeling like that about you in this forum).This was my last response to you as long as you dont tell us your name and speak with facts in public.I dare you to do so otherwise go back to your hole and hide.
NEMESIS first of all i would expect much better use of the english language from a guy with a UK flag in his profile and the word dj_uk in the end of his nickname.And i am not joking or trying to be ironic about it,i really tried hard to understand your post because of the bad english,please next time try to write more carefully so that people understand you without having to read your post ten times.So to answer some things from your post.
A)You said that most of the booking agents belong to the artists label and that outside booking agents are mostly crap.Well i have to inform you that artists like Deedrah and Talamasca use their wifes as their booking agents,S Range was using an independent booking agent from an agency for his bookings,many Israeli artists use their travel agents also as their booking agents and trust me 90% of the artists in the psy trance scene work with particular persons in particular countries and when another promoter calls them to play in one of these particular countries then the artists contact these particular persons in these countries and ask information about the new promoter and many times they even ask for PERMISSION in order to play for a new promoter.So when artist X works with me in Greece and for any booking request that he gets from another promoter in Greece he calls me asking me for permission to play at another party and even asks me to call that other promoter and arrange the booking details then this doesnt make me his booking agent for Greece?
B)You said that artists have a normal fee and they just make small cuts for friends and friendly organisers.Well i can assure you that many artists have a fee of lets say 3000 euros that they charge all around the world but me can get them to play for even half the price because of our friendship and collaboration,if 1500 euros is just a small cut then ok i give up.You also said that for 1000 euros for a live perfomance the artist has to be a 'small name',well mate you are out of reality and obviously dont have a clue about booking artists and their fees.I wont mention names here because it will be unproffesionally from my side to do so BUT i can assure you that i have booked for 1000 euros for a live perfomance artists that are in the psy trance scene for ten years with countless releases and live and dj appearences all around the world.If these artists with 3-4 personal albums released and ten years in the scene are small names like you said then ok i give up.Oh by the way for some people artists like Electric Universe,Orion,Tristan and Cosmosis are much much more important and bigger names in the psy trance scene than GMS that you mentioned...
C)You gave an example of booking Infected Mushroom through contacting Erez and his booking agent Eyal and also talked about contracts that the artists will honour and follow.Well trust me you again dont have a clue of whats going on in the market and i can tell you countless stories from artists who got booked,signed a contract,got payed ALL money advance BUT never appeared in the event or even cancelled the booking for various reasons.And before telling me why these artists were never sued by the organisers for not keeping their word i will just tell you that no organiser is stupid and rich enough to go to a court case with an artist for an ammount of 3000 euros,i mean just hiring a lawyer to deal with this case will cost you at least twice and in the end even if you win the case all you will get is losing money paying the lawyer and on foreign phone calls.The system Nemesis doesnt work like you think it does...
LUX you can tell me with which things that i said you aggree and with which things that i said you disaggree.You said that things are much different than i present them,so share with us your point of view and lets discuss about it 
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nemesis_dj_uk
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 02:51
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detox iv got no fuss with you personal im belgium but i rec and live in London the last years. I have played with half the artists personly you said and they are friends , i dont know what you do in Greece because these names you said have came 1000 times in greece, but set starts from 500 to 900 friendly . and live 1200 to 1700 . and Djs work for this its are life , we do this every week,if i have a deal to come 3 times a year in your country i will then make a deal for less, |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 09:58
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Well Nemesis you just came back to my words mate
Like you said these artists are your friends and you know that they get for a live perfomance 1200 to 1700 euros.Well it seems that i am better friend or partner with them and i can get lower prices than the ones you can get or the ones that you know that they usually charge
Thats probably why people call me asking me for bookings about their parties,because they simply know that i can get better prices for them than the ones they would get if they contacted the artists themselves
I mean when an organiser gets a price of 1500 euros for booking artist X whats the problem if he turns to me to do the booking and i charge him for the same artist 1200 euros (price that includes my booking fee)???
Seems some people are annoyed by the fact that i keep very very good relationship with the artists that i work with the last 4-5 years,sorry guys i promise to turn into an asshole from now and on so that everybody will hate me 
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nemesis_dj_uk
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 11:13
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listen my friend you dont have to be the bad guy . people need agent to book Djs because they cover the parties in each country, people some times get jellos because the can not do the same/Detox i saw you are the moderator , if possible nick moonsun is one of my best friends because this 2 twits write all the same crap in his catigory /if possible unlock so people can see his party. why is he not any more in this forum, i have not spoke with him for 1 month . keep on doing parties in Greece |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 12:02
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Ok so nice to see that finally we aggree on many things concerning the booking agents matter.
Concerning Nick Moonsun well the guy asked me to delete all of his posts and party announcements into this forum so i just followed his request,he also told me that he never wants to visit this forum again so everything is his decision after all.
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itche
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 12:10
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Ok..So if anyone has any doubt about the booking fees call the artists to learn about the true price...You will see by your own that there is no need for any Middle men..
Stay tuned...Try hard... |
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evitakorleone
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 12:21
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Narcosis,Nemesis,ITCHE im agree with you guys.people im glud that you start to wake up at last.......
Look how it works and i now it for real.when you send an e-mail to spun for example and ask to booking gms or anyone ellse,AND you are not a guy ho have make big an alot partys so they know you,the gms call in greece and ask about you.
HOW thy going to call?or DETOX or Z....[because when detox was in trance aliance he make the booking and they now them].- then detox call you and he ask you about the party,he tell you about gms [that they ask them and let them booking for them] and at last you HAVE pay with out now it, and detox and gms.
thats the way strange people get envolve in your party........
thats the way things work here in athens.and thats a fuct!!!
I like to work too often......because i dont have anyting else to do....
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 14:20
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Evitakorleone (nice nickname by the way) the things that you said in your last post are exactly the same things that i said before couple of days in one of my previous posts.
In fact i said...
'''''A booking agent is someone who has worked in the past with many artists for his or others events and someone that artists trust for dealing with their bookings and events.
A booking agent helps in bringing in contact a promoter with an artist.For example a NEW PROMOTER who doesnt have a contact for the artist he wishes to book.Or a promoter with an artist that is difficult to book for various reasons,the booking agent sometimes is a very influential person that can fix difficult bookings on which he can persuade an artist to come and play for a NEW PROMOTER or a promoter that the artist hasnt worked in the past.'''''
So have you got anything new to add to the conversation or not?
P.S Thats exactly the way things work all around the world and not just in Athens or Greece. Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Frenji
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Posted : Jan 30, 2005 07:18
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everybody has right here...
as 'booking agent' works the person that the artist knows & trust more in a country so he can ask him questions about promoter & to arranged the details (flight,paying matters,equipment etc.).
so the result finally is ...
the artist would like to thanks the 'booking agent'/friend for his help & colloboration by giving him some money.
and will artist pay this money from his own pocket?
NO for sure ...
artist will ask for some money more from the unknown to him promoter ... to giving em to his friend/'booking agent'
thats the way it works.
i believe that the money for the 'middle man' arent too many but this doesnt change the fact that makes a booking more expensive (the bad with the friends/'booking agents')
are these money needed to give really ?
with the conditions there are in our scene , the most times the 'middle man' is needed person.
cause ensure both sides (artist & promoters) that the things will turn ok.
or if not ,both of them will have a person to categorise for his bad advice (artist side) & for his shitty connections/booking (promoter side).
DETOX nothing personal but in your posts u try to show us the role of 'booking agent' as serious job.
in other music genres the manager for sure is serious job (in many cases better and from the artist job) but in our music genre the 'booking agent' isnt job ... is only the 'middle man' role. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 30, 2005 11:33
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Frenji i am not trying to show you the role of a booking agent as a serious job but at least the way i see it after dealing with at least one or two bookings every week is that i personally see the booking agency thing as a very serious task
Doing one booking every couple of months is not very serious indeed but providing bookings worldwidely in weekly basis then thats something important dont you think?
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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