Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 29, 2011 20:17
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Except there is no next big cycle, cause we are running out of oil, and climate change and pop growth will make impossible to keep expanding consumption.
It's all a matter of supply and demand - which ultimately are tied together by price.
We are not going to run out of oil. It's just going to become more and more expensive. And fewer and fewer people will be able to afford it.
We are not going to stop expanding consumption. It's just going to be consumption of cell phones instead of organic vegetables and internet forums instead of clean water. And for a couple of generations nobody will even notice. By the time they do notice, the pop growth problem you mentioned will pretty much take care of itself.
And, most importantly, what's going to happen in the imperial centers does not have to match what's going on in the colonies. People in the 3rd World will continue dieing, while we watch the latest episode of "Jersey Shore".
In short: I did not say we are giong to live better in any sense. Only that the System will continue getting tighter and more intricate. And you can forget about Neo waking anybody up. I don't see any signs of The Owners getting nervous. Do you?
Do I want any of this to happen? No. But that does not mean that it won't happen.
BTW, your idea about switching this and that to public sector is just one of the scenarios of the System's adaptation and tightening. Just another path to the pan-fascist future.
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Posted : Sep 4, 2011 18:32
yeah, things are worse than ever.
we're pretty much fucked.
only thing to do is get out to the woods, grow some shit, learn to live off the grid, stock up on supplies and weapons, and wait for the world to come crashing down around us.
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Its become a mad race with no end , the definition of satiety is lost ........few economists and few power hungry politicians around the globe have actually kept everyone at ransom for years ...... dont worry for the faces keeps changing but the role is the same in INDIA , USA , Pakistan , France etc.
common sense has taken a back seat and its corporate culture that is driving the economies and now a days economies are a major factor driving the politics and thus the screw up ........ nothing much basically we drove wrong sides on the cross roads after industrial revolution and what was written before as a guideline to political , social , economical , scientific research etc . on the constitutional paper has long back lost its meaning and its one of these days might get changed , sooner or later one cannot imagine but that is the only way ............. perception shall need a paradigm shift . must happen but this is a good thread indeed To focus sometimes you need to spin hard on your soul's axis..... just don't ask how and what it means ;)
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 11:56
... and we're seeing even more now with the Occupy Wall Street movement. Tunisia's revolution and the Tahir Square incident sparked something that has burned very deep into this collective psyche, don't think anyone can say for certain what kind of incident would stop such a powerful domino effect. It's everywhere now from Turkey to Chile to Greece to India.
some more reading material on what is called the Arab Spring:
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 12:05
And maybe you're right Maine Coon, it's logical if you look at how things have cycled through the ages.
But it still remains there is an overwhelming amount of energy in the air, I'm actually excited to see what kind of neutralizer is on offer to pacify this madness.
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 20:24
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I don't think all this is madness. I think all this (London riots, Wall Street protests and most of the Arab Spring) is the neutralizer. Controlled cathartic experiences that let people blow some steam, engage in a mass delusion that their opinion matters to those in charge and ultimately get disillusioned and apathetic. We’ve been through this many times. Some cycles are short, some last many decades. But the Machine always comes on top. And Switzerland remains neutral and peaceful through all of this, in spite of total uselessness of those cute knives in modern combat. Why is that?
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I think the idea that the machine is unbreakable is an illusion. Yes the corporate machine always ends up on top, but maybe it’s just a phase within the evolution of humanity, but it could all change for the better, and It could all change today. It’s like we are stuck in an endless cycle so we see no hope. Freedom fighters get murdered, movements come and go and yet the elite greed remain on top. Well maybe all it means is that we are still not getting it, or haven’t been ready yet. Maybe it’s like that karma that sometimes follows you wherever you go… the lesson keeps on coming over and over.. and you are like WTF… until one day you finally get it and you finally transcend the issue.
I actually believe that lots of higher civilizations in the universe were at some point in a similar place where we are now. But there was a breakthrough and they got past the hurdle which at some point seemed impossible. Maybe it’s just not that easy to graduate, but its totally doable. And when we do get up from our knees and empower ourselves to create the world we want, then it will be the most amazing thing ever. The good aliens could come and save us but then we would not learn the lesson. Ultimately we need to be able to stand on our own legs so we have to go through this on our own. So whether it’s the corporations, or the illuminati, or the reptilians keeping us down.. whatever it is I think the message is clear: we need to rise above it. Because we can!
Maybe not the most popular idea these days but I believe in humanity and the world.. yes we are a little stuck in negativity and our self esteem is in the dumps.. that’s why we can’t imagine a better world, let alone believe we can attain it. But I think there is more good and power in us that we give ourselves credit for.. and so I have faith in humanity. It’s just a self esteem issue we need to resolve, that’s all.
And the planet has all the resources we need. We can feed, house and heal everyone on this planet many times over. It’s just a matter of working together
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Posted : Oct 20, 2011 10:10
So the big question is can this movement ultimately get disillusioned and apathetic ?
If it lasts another ten years I can see people being distracted. Especially if technology makes sure that people are fed, sheltered and disease free. Given how backward civilization is right now if the ones in charge can give humanity at least this much, it's worth the madness/catharthis
I believe freedom beyond the basic necessities is an individual choice, and that choice has been within reach for a long time. Takes a lot more effort and sacrifice to go that distance.
It's easy for Switzerland to remain neutral because they've already taken care of the basics, in addition they had the vision to realize that the banking system was the driving force and took advantage of it. It wouldn't be called neutral if you consider the damage caused by all the dictatorship money being funneled out of countries and into Swiss accounts. It was only a matter of playing within the rules...
... the rules are changing now.
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 04:10
or it was because switerland and germany banks were the ones flushin all the money from europe....?
is it happenin ocupy movement in germany aswell?
or in the scandinavians place.... norway, finland, sweeden.?
aint the headquarter of the united states of europe in frankfurst something like that ?
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 04:10
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On 2011-08-29 20:17, Maine Coon wrote:
We are not going to run out of oil. It's just going to become more and more expensive. And fewer and fewer people will be able to afford it.
We are not going to stop expanding consumption. It's just going to be consumption of cell phones instead of organic vegetables and internet forums instead of clean water. And for a couple of generations nobody will even notice.
i dont understand why u are sayin in perfect future, i think all this have already happened in the 90s and the 00s ... and imo it have been noticed.
Those last few years there were a high talkin bout sustentability and all those consumption and consequences stuffs. BUT even them doin the talkin bout all that sustentability mumbo jumbo in the TV , educational system, social interaction etc, they ( the corporations, the bankers/policits, the system , the machine) they just couldnt stop the market, the greed and power talked louder.
it was realy fast that last cycle....
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And, most importantly, what's going to happen in the imperial centers does not have to match what's going on in the colonies. People in the 3rd World will continue dieing, while we watch the latest episode of "Jersey Shore".
i dont think this will be viable , the system s broken, the dolar , the digital capitalistic system s broken, all the foundation of money s supposed to have a change now, the most viable solution i can think of is GOLD comin back as the standard...
but now i ask you... how many people have gold saved in the world?
so prob thats why they needin the facism govern... but considerin the standards bein back to the default..most of us normal citizens are fuckin doomed coz it ll be fuckin expensive to watch that program tv u said with or without the reform of the system...
is there someone in greece around that could say the situation around there?
i mean for what we can see in the medias the people are quite pissed off coz the politics are selling out the country...
i wonder what this have changed in the livin of the citizens.... mainly that last 2 years where it seemed the bomb exploded..
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 04:11
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only thing to do is get out to the woods, grow some shit, learn to live off the grid, stock up on supplies and weapons, and wait for the world to come crashing down around us.
yeas i think that s very important.... not realy isolatin ur self from the world but to move to a place based on agricultura. learn to work with the land. to have a more rural style now... coz to isolate ur self from the world s not health , worse if u have no experience in rural work...
but to move in small cities that are based on rural where there are already some kind of comunity sense.... that will save life of manys...
i think not many of us want to live in a facist govern....
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Posted : Oct 25, 2011 04:39
Davids Icke take on the movement and what we are really up against in terms of the corporate machine.
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Humanity changes acording to it's needs and capabilities, when one "model" of economic growth runs out of gas we change.
CHANGE: huamns have changed systems, they had progress in the pass, found solutions or suffered the consequences, but at the end survived and continue their journey.
We as inidividuals decide how much we want to be part of such change, many people is already doing that, in many directions, if you want the resulting equilibrium more near to your expectations and values you must got involved and contruct the world you wanna see.
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Posted : Oct 26, 2011 17:59
Yes, inspiring words. But the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Economic models change. Governments change. Slogans change. But one thing always remains the same: there are those who eat and those who feed - and in many cases those are not the same people. Likewise, there are those who lead and those who follow - and those are usually not the same people either. As Jem'Hadar warriers used to say: "Such is the order of things". A reptilian slave race to humanoid rulers of the world governed by quiet shapeshifters - I am sure they knew what they were talking about.
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Homo sapines has been on earth 200,000 years.
Agriculture, which lead to urbanization, which lead to civlizations has 8,000 years.
Add to that that societies across the world had have different kinds of political and economic organization.
Don't you think claiming it has always been the same it's a little bit of a over statement?
We are living like the teenage of humanity, there is no need to be pesimistic about our destiny.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures."
Why is that?
