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Yidam
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Posted : Aug 18, 2011 18:04:02
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Is it just the news these days or are we heading towards some kind of highpoint?
Ask this because not only are activists going nuts all over India at the moment but some bizarre things just happened in my housing society as well.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 18, 2011 22:37
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Just the opposite, IMHO.
Riots and demonstrations aside, we have been moving towards highly ordered and bureaucratic global community, governed (indirectly) by the Fed and the IMF, since the times right before WWI. Local fuss here and there is just the system letting people release some steam. Plus, it gives (some) people an illusion that their actions matter in the big scheme.
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Posted : Aug 19, 2011 17:42
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There is a big missconception of what anarchy means. Strictly "the term "anarchy" describes the simple absence of publicly recognized government or enforced political authority."
Tha absence doesnt means chaos, it only means society is organized by other means other than the state.
What we are watching right now is just discontent, people really doesnt want to destroy the state, or to descend to chaos. Everyone is just pissed off at politicians and the harsh reality that the standard of living in western nations will diminish in the forthcoming years as life become more expensive because of oil scarcity and the rise of a middle class in China, India, Brazil and other countries.
I believe in anarchy, but more in the way to have the option to choose the kind of social organization that acomodates better to your desires. I dream of a world highly fragmented (almost city states) with total freedom of movement between them where you can choose the system you want to live in just moving from one city to another. Where people that share values can come together and stop pushing their values in to others.
 "The dedication to repetition the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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Posted : Aug 20, 2011 00:50
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 21, 2011 00:52
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On 2011-08-19 17:42, Login wrote:
[...] the standard of living in western nations will diminish in the forthcoming years as life become more expensive because of oil scarcity and the rise of a middle class in China, India, Brazil and other countries.
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A non sequitur, IMHO.
The drop in our standard of living has very little to do with the rise in theirs. Both are simply consequences of the same cause: they produce and save, while we consume and get deeper into debt.
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I dream of a world highly fragmented (almost city states) with total freedom of movement between them where you can choose the system you want to live in just moving from one city to another. Where people that share values can come together and stop pushing their values in to others.
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Yes, I can see how that may be a good system. I would like something like this, although not quite as radical. But my beliefs of what is and will be are not affected by my idea of what would be nice.
I have some good reasons to believe that the world's future is transnational fascism. In fact, it's pretty much already the case. |
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kazuku
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Posted : Aug 21, 2011 01:51
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 18:32
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On 2011-08-21 00:52, Maine Coon wrote:
A non sequitur, IMHO.
The drop in our standard of living has very little to do with the rise in theirs. Both are simply consequences of the same cause: they produce and save, while we consume and get deeper into debt.
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Not at all, the earth resources are scarse, and many of them are not renewable.
So as the income around the world goes up, prices of goods too. The must clear example is oil. Oil prices had been ricing, and will keeep as its demand increases and its reserves go down. The same applies to other goods.
And since most of the economy is conected to oil, the price of everything will rise, have you seen the prices of food the last years? just for 2008 there was a 10% increase.
Simply put, all around the world people will spend more on their food, and everyone will have to cut some spending on luxuries and entertaiment.
Finally the US aint broke, it's just not taxing the rich enough and expending in two wars, fix this two issues and the country will be back (also start reforming the social security private driven system and change it to a public drive one to keep costs down).
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html
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Vermeee
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 13:29
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rise of the middle class in brazil ? where? i dont see it in the streets... all i see are the bankers givin more credits to people keep buyin the new models of celulars they release every 6 months, shoes, cars, and those useles stuffs...
while the important stuffs like FOOD , WATER and ELETRICITY are risin the price in a never seen way with the excuse that it was caused by the INFLATION of the economy due the ECONOMIC GROW...
by the end of the last year we were payin 0,90 bucks for a box of tomato sauce... in less than 7 months we are payin 3 bucks for the same box of the tomato sauce...
im not in a fix job at the moment so i cant talk bout my wage..but my wife wage hasnt grow to that progression.... and we are set beetween the middle middle class - high middle class
now if u go to a domestic eletronic store or a car store last year they would be givin u 24 months of payment to pay for ur car or whatever u intend...now they are givin u 48 months as exemple...
so that means trash more usueles stuff for the society to pretend they are growin but lets put them all in debt in a long term...
the fact that there are more foreigners givin more credits (royals) for the bankers of brazil due to colonization interest.... doesnt mean the society s growin...
tbh now its ben revelead that colonization has never ended... ( if someone ever believed colonization had ended )
obs: in 2008 we were payin 2 bucks for the gram of marijuana.... in 2011 it costs 4 bucks even 5 in some dealers...
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Vermeee
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 13:56
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and so on i agree with u yidam...
we are not enterin in an anarchy state of political system coz as login has said .... anarchy as a political system s missinterpreted...
but anarchy in conciouness....lack of rules, lack of ethics, lack of respect, lack of morals...
but just a mirror of the system of capitalism that was always anarchic in the top of piramid ( the bankers and the politics are free to do whatever they wish without the approve of society , democracy just as a mask to keep the wage-earn slaves thinkin they are in control of something )
obviously someday that anarchic from the top would reach the base of the piramid...
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and now we are into that point...
where anarchy in consciounes of society s bein flamed by the top...so they can send the cops to the streets...and a new form of socialism and dictature maybe its on the way...
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 16:05
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On 2011-08-23 13:29, Vermeee wrote:
so that means trash more usueles stuff for the society to pretend they are growin but lets put them all in debt in a long term...
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Right on!
And in debt to whom?
The Fed - by way of the IMF.
The scheme by which its done is ingenious and beautiful in its design. I am not going to describe it now, but it has been in place since the end of WWII and it worked quite successfully on pretty much the whole world, with the notable exception of China and the Persian Gulf countries. And even there, its still in place, just tweaked to work in a slightly different way.
The big paranoia around the role of the UN in the establishment of the New World Order is laughable. UN does not really matter that much, as the nation-states united in it are becoming less and less relevant. WTO and IMF thats a different story.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 16:07
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Remind me again - why is this in the Spirituality section?  |
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Posted : Aug 23, 2011 19:02
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Mods should move this to off.topic.
That being said what people consume its the peoples problems. They are not childs anymore, society must be hold acountable for all its stupidity.
I know the way monetary policy works now is perverse and we should drop the actual system, but there are some facts that cant be denied: population growth and resource increasing scarcity. The inflation we are seeing in food and energy is not going to be fixed anyway.
For me the solution is very simple: let people continue with their spending and waste until reality comes upon them. Cars, junk food, energy waste, etc will be a thing of the past when you can only afford food, water and the energy for electricity.
Only then people will realise what is really important.
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Yidam
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Posted : Aug 28, 2011 08:50
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Vermeee got the gist of it.
The topic itself pertains to a mass state of being. Notice that even after all that has happened to our word in the last century, especially with our technological evolution, we still have to fight over the basic necessities of life like food, water and shelter.
We've chosen to let that be dealt with 'somehow' and instead look at the next level of necessity like electricity and education to be the solutions to the above. We fight against war, corruption and inflation.
People want a worldwide spiritual reality that is not based off material needs. That state of being should begin after everyone has food, water and shelter.
I think the world is retaliating because in some basic sense, for the collective consciousness to evolve this is something that had to naturally be taken care of, whatever the reasons for the current state of unrest is.
Is it actually happening or am I being naive?
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 29, 2011 14:08
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Yes, it is actually happening.
Yes, you are being naive.
Some people think - like you, I guess - that they can change the grand scheme. Meanwhile, these protests only create more disruptions to lives of people (most of whom don't share the views of protesters and only become bitter about them and eager to restore Order) and do not shake the system at all. In fact, this noise gives the Machine a good excuse to tighten the security measures. Put more cops on the streets. Involve the National Guard. Pass a big law with a catchy acronym for the restoration of "freedom, democracy and all that". More people in prison, more taxes for you and me. These are the things that will remain here long after everybody forgot about all the riots and protests.
Expeimental data?
Here is the sequence:
- The "Revolution" of 1968
- The default of 1971
- The Reaganomics
- The SDI
- The dotcom bubble
From all the fuss and all that struggle for the better future - to "Who cares? My 401k looks good - let's go dance to Ricky Martin and Sheryl Crow". All in just 30 years.
We just happened to be in the 1968-1971 period, that's all. Just wait for some new Reaganomics and some new vehicle for financial bubbles - and in 10-15 years nobody will care.
Until the cycle repeats again.
But notice that the system becomes only stronger and more adapted after each cycle. And people seem to get only more zombified.
Yeah, I'd like to believe you're right. But I don't.
Like I said - my views on what's going on and what will come are not colored but what I would like to happen. |
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Posted : Aug 29, 2011 18:41
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Except there is no next big cycle, cause we are running out of oil, and climate change and pop growth will make impossible to keep expanding consumption.
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