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Amatuer trance scene

___kaz
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Posted : Nov 5, 2001 21:35:39
Again, the ping pong continues...

I don't like it, but I never said it doesn't have a right to exist... I'm just getting the feeling that labels are making it too easy for people to make yet another track, and that DJs play along... and the whole scene does.

And I'm saying that being unoriginal and ripping other people off (like the 14326754 GMS copycats) is much worse than making bad music...

So let people who have something interesting to give us do their thing. That goes to everyone (who should look for something better instead of being satisfied with a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy), but especially the labels, who really don't give the people who do something different ANY credit for originality (I've heard many very interesting tracks that were rejected because they "weren't professional enough", and a zillion others that got accepted because they sound like a track which was a hit, while the music in there was BAD and unoriginal, and I'm sure everyone here knows at least 50 of those).

___pacman7331
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Posted : Nov 6, 2001 03:39:29
I have to say just 1 thing. BUST A MOVE is not crap. It's very unique and special. And Auspexx you don't respect or appreciate Infected when you call what they make "crap". That simply is not respectful! Thats DISrespectful.

___tomeron
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Posted : Nov 6, 2001 09:58:13
the way i see it ,labels somtimes underestimate the ebilty off ppl to exept ,understand & love new kind of sounds & trax.

imo unlike some other kinds off music ,the avarage trance listener understand alot in his music comparing the a britny's fan for example... :)

give people some credit ....
___david_kebab
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Posted : Nov 6, 2001 11:05:07
i see threads like this in techno lists and here are my 2 cents. there is far more music right now, and many people prefer as the commercial say-immatate not innovate. i know this happens alot in techno too many people who make crap techno are out there. most labels will not change it since they prefer to play ball and make money.
and i know that trance suffers from it too.most trance tunes made today r kinda boring with the same formula. but as i see - i make my choice what i like what i don`t - i only buy music i really like and thats what i spin when i dj.
thats why i prefer singles.
___spin@
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Posted : Nov 6, 2001 12:15:53
imho... it will come...
the labels ownres r humans 2...and they r getting boared from music like every1 of us
and luckly we still have people in the scene that work from the heart and not from the poket or the bank acount... so please... have a little faith.
every thing is changeable. look for ex: tsuyoshi and his lable... he did the same music for YEARS
and look at him nowdays... the joujouka project IS some thing else... original...
sure... it came after many years... but it came
so u should expect it from all the artists
a little faith in the labels... artists... producers... djs and the people in the scene
WILL STILL GOT SOME GOOD PEOPLE AROUND

b good :)
___pacman7331
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Posted : Nov 7, 2001 03:28:35
Spectral (blue room right?) is very diffrent from regular stuff. You don't expect to hear that kind of music under the name "spectral". So it's a nice surprise that reaffirms my confidence. Not really my favorite, but nice anyhow.


Zeus Class
___GuyShanti
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Posted : Nov 7, 2001 10:27:35
my 5 cents:
1. it has always been simple to make music - all it takes is a drum and a sense of tempo.
2. every musician is influenced. Infected's first tunes were mede in the "lets make an Xdream, Lets make a Simon" method.
3. originality is something to be achived and it is the hardest thing to develop. u r either born with an ear and mind to create original things or u slowly develop the skill after doing stuff that resemble other's.
4. Britney's producers are MASTERS. pure fucking geniuses. Same with ABBA, The BGees, and the rest of the long list of Popular Music makers. It takes the same talant to create a trully original piece and a perfect POP song.
5. Radio plays what it wants to play. rearly does it play what u want to hear. same with labels. a fact of life.

G
___kaz
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Posted : Nov 7, 2001 11:43:44
G, I'll add 2 cents of my own to the pile:

1) I know that the Britney production team is AMAZING, and yes, they are some of the biggest proffesionals in the entire MUSIC scene (not just pop scene)... I'd think they'd probably be surpassed only by Garbage (which have the best production worldwide... every sound is perfect for the song and perfectly in place).

But then again, once you make one good song and 20 others just like it, it loses the point :)

2) and as to the radio/labels...

well, I don't hear radio any more, and I'm bored of most labels nowadays.
___data
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Posted : Nov 10, 2001 17:33:18
All i can say is FUCK YEAH!

Im sick of all of these shitty well produced Trance thats made in 4 months.

I dont know where all of these people are getting the idea that its easy to make trance?  Sure its easy to make simple shitty trance that a radio station might like, but really good trance takes a shitload of time and dedication to make.
___Auspexx
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Posted : Nov 11, 2001 12:17:21
as I said, don't like it, don't buy it (or do it yourself if you think its so simple).

who are you to make demands to artists who actualy make the music, or to labels who actualy pay the money for these artists? (hey - most of you dont pay for the music, who do you think does the paying work for you?)?
No wonder labels prefere to pay their money to artists that sell a lot, they need to live too, you know.
it seems that what you all want is for someone to spend a lot of money (you probably dont know what involves in releasing a singe 12", not ot mention a CD) from his own pocket, just to release a CD with a lot of 'quality' music that is so complex, that nobody buys it. The more underground you go, the less crowd you got, and in the end of the day, you got to make @least some money to be able to live, and maybe make your next release.

Got it?
___tomeron
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Posted : Nov 11, 2001 13:46:45
"who r u" ?

"you" or "they" r the people who will buy the cd's....
you know people still buy cd's ... otherwise no one would spend his money & time creating one ....

i agree that alot of cd's burned ,we all do it sometimes... let's admit ,but, there r some ppl who buy it & i think that they have the right to demand somthing else .

saying that all the people here burn all thier cd's is a little bit drastic....

look, i know it's not that simple to create/compile a cd & i understand that it has to be proffitable ... , but i think that best cd's r those who give both ... "mainstream" & "underground" .

a compilation/album that would go to one direction only would be problematic, give us mainstream ,but give us some underground otherwise the music will stays the same...


respect
___Auspexx
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Posted : Nov 11, 2001 14:12:43
not all, but MOST ppl, that's what I said. we all know its true, lets not be hypocretes.

I just bought a new CD from Cubica, and its got only 4 trax on it (?!), but I believe that it deserves the respect. why? because I believe that as someone who feeds from the scene I should also feed it back. And Tomer, you know I don't really need to buy CDs to get music, right?

anyway, this was just a remark, and (as usual) it was only aimed @ the general ppl. anyone who feels hurt - sorry.
___vor
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Posted : Nov 12, 2001 19:31:49
just another thing... this comercail crap on the pop scene seems to disappear... where the hell are the spice girls? where the hell are new kids on the block (wow... good memory, ahn?)... the bullshit stuff seems to disappear not only on the pop scene, but also on the trance scene... ppl get bored, it doesn´t matter on wich scene are they into... and the ones (labels or artists) who don´t realise it will also disappear... that´s my point!
___Trip-
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Posted : Nov 12, 2001 22:52:45
To Shanti...
Music is deffinately not just drum and tempo - hate to dissapoint you on that one :)

To Asaf...
I'm very much with you! Keep the faith still - I'm sure there are labels which will release new and exiting trance - even new labels... ! :)

To All...
It takes good production and mainstream sound to be released - but:
It takes Alot of good damn music to be made to be released and remembered afterwards!

keep that in mind and let's keep the quality of trance not only in the production but in music too. Trip-
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