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kArO
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Posted : Feb 6, 2007 02:38
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On 2007-02-06 00:34, rich wrote:
What's best is I notice with those who are trancing to the music they love, whether it's hip hop or stoner rock, the vibe is always awesome and full of that peace love unity and respect you hear about.



true
minus
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Feb 12, 2007 01:37
but i have not found an alternative , all someone like me has found is, maybe some acid chill ambience type sounds, but thats it , i have heard some of the rest , like the techy , the extrawelty , the etc etc , but i found my peace in this , maybe i need to expand my conciousness, maybe what you blabbel here may help me,
peace
ocelot
ocelot

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Posted : Feb 16, 2007 16:32
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On 2007-02-05 22:53, mk47 wrote:
i didnt get this .. what exactly do u mean by `alternative trance` ? all non happy fullon isra trance ?
is this masked self promo ?





whats up with you and "non happy" trance as you put it? ...???
is all minor key music non-happy for instance? what about shpongle DivineMomentsOfTruth? when i first heard it on Mystery of the Yeti i felt both elated (very happy for the simplistic morons out there) and wistful...
shall we reduce all emotions to happy and non-happy? is RingAroundTheRoses (childs nursery rhyme) happy? the melody is major key while the words speak of the black plague..
is all Middle Eastern music to be dismissed as Non-Happy for its tendencies towards what seems like minor keys to the western ear?
In Indian traditional music there are Ragas which represent no less than 70 something different moods! perhaps there are more emotions than just Happy and Non-Happy?

is this self promotion to start intelligent topics instead of oh "goa gil vs raja ram" for example?
dont be a turd dude.
if i want to promote i'll have someone else do it for me the old fashioned way.
ocelot
ocelot

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Posted : Feb 16, 2007 16:36
ok i was just thinking about how STALE the drum section of trance gets... always this boom chick boom chick thing...
thoughts?
ocelot
ocelot

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Posted : Feb 16, 2007 16:37
or how stale the melodic development gets...
its like even the best trance or electronic music in general, pales in comparison with even the simplest jazz music...
are we musical morons or what?
ocelot
ocelot

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Posted : Feb 16, 2007 16:40
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On 2007-02-05 22:53, mk47 wrote:
i didnt get this .. what exactly do u mean by `alternative trance` ? all non happy fullon isra trance ?
is this masked self promo ?





anything different than the same old same old...
just like in rock music when there was "alternative" rock in the 80's and 90's it meant a revolt against the hairbands and pop schluck of the 80's... like punk was a reaction to the excesses of the 70's...

this really can be anything... im not putting limits on it man. open your mind a bit and think
rich
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Posted : Feb 16, 2007 21:53
How about lets start with - Expand beyond the typical trance track length. A track doesn't need to be 6 minutes and some odd seconds long. It doesn't need to have a breather at 2 and something minutes and a breakdown at 5 or so minutes in.
This simple predictability is part of what makes me leave parties out of boredom.

Does it need to be one tempo the whole time? Instead, can a track be an actual composition with numerous parts that ebb and flow with their own energy?

I know there's a lot of really good musicians out there who wouldn't conceive of writing psytrance because most modern examples of it are so retardedly predictable and simple with their self imposed rules, mostly contrived to create dance floor hits. It's embarrassing, really. I don't want to hear tracks anymore, I want to hear compositions that span 30 minutes with several movements that transition between moods and energy levels using varying tempos and complex and simple melodies.
palex
Palex

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Posted : Feb 17, 2007 03:19

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well you should listen to some trance with very very deep basslines. the frequencies around 10 hz (while damn near impossible to reproduce on most sound systems) are known to induce bowel movements.
are you familiar with the phenomenon known as the DiscoDump? this was from the 1970s when many fancy clubs put in high end soundsystems that did NOT have lowcut filters and combining that with vinyl records with that deep rumbling whoomp kick drum and voila...

but you must be careful... around 14 hz is associated with genital stimulation and may induce orgasms in some people...
and around 7 hz will induce vomiting and nausea in most people- used in horror movies in the theaters for years...
specific frequences may vary depending upon the person of course.

completely utterly seriously yours

ass a lot

(actually oce little, oce lot)
actually its a wild cat but i digress
or digest
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man,wtf u saying

try to smoke just tobaco...eheheheh
          

keep music evil!!
ocelot
ocelot

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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 06:42
i dont smoke. anything. read what i was replying to.

@ Rich - wow this is pretty cool stuff you are saying...
its like "we need a symphony"

i would say the dancefloor is the limitation for sure... and its a feedback loop between who comes for what music and who doesnt come due to the music...

we gave definitely moved in the direction of club music and away from the cutting edge of possibility...
but then with the origins as a dancefloor form and the tradition of boom chick i guess this is what to expect from socalled psytrance...

its only a matter of time before someone does just what you speak of and makes a real journey...
hehehe...look for it next year... hehehe
mk47
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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 06:51
`dont be a turd` ..
anyway .. do it man ! no 16th basslines / no boom chik drums , no predictability , diffrent , weird , trippy , cutting edge .. im all for it .. keeping the dancefloor going is where the challenge will lie .. trance has become boring for the most part .. and wats cooking for next year ? cmon .. give us a taste
full_on
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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 07:25
There's always the old stuff that no DJ plays anymore. And you probably know that for most artists and DJs stuff released last month are soooo OLD.

Also you can find refuge on ambient/chill out releases, where there's much more freedom, including on the drum section.

Psytrance is dance music, so it must at least not completely kill its danceable aspect. IMO few labels will want to buy non 4x4 psytrance. Maybe you can manage to squeeze a track at the end of some compilation or album, but face reality: It probably won't be played by the DJs on the floor.

I think we need different sounds, more experimentation, avoidance of all already tried recipes, weird stuff with an obscure logic behind it, BUT at the same time as danceable and trippy as possible. Try to make the things that you know that won't work (like very dissonant kicks and bass) to work.
As mk47 said: here is your challenge, face it and overcome it.
Respect!           .
...Be gentle with the earth...
...Dance like nobody's watching...
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...I don't mind not going to Heaven, as long as they've got Coffee in Hell...
rajatrao6
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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 15:22
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On 2007-02-19 07:25, full_on wrote:
Psytrance is dance music, so it must at least not completely kill its danceable aspect. IMO few labels will want to buy non 4x4 psytrance. Maybe you can manage to squeeze a track at the end of some compilation or album, but face reality: It probably won't be played by the DJs on the floor.



Period.

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I think we need different sounds, more experimentation, avoidance of all already tried recipes, weird stuff with an obscure logic behind it, BUT at the same time as danceable and trippy as possible.



Napo i am surprised your supporting this notation. When we spoke the other day i thought we recognized a problem in too many labels releasing too much shit music didnt we? So with all sorts of artists producing ridiculously abstract E.T music isnt the demand for new labels just increasing in order to accomodate this? There is no doubt that the need for new sounds cant be emphasized enough but lets face reality, out of all that experimentation how many artists will actually end up producing something worthwhile? Oh well, people enjoy the likes of Xikwri Neyra & Gorump these days- the sort of music that requires 6 masterings and gently moves at 200 bpm + hehe just my opinion no offense to these guys!

Rajat
mk47
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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 16:38
Xikwri Neyra & Gorump just have very very very bad sound , apart from that i dont thing they do anything radically diffrent from regular hard psy . im still interested in what ocelot mite have to offer in terms of abstract , non conventional psy .. yet dancer friendly .
rajatrao6
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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 16:50
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On 2007-02-19 16:38, mk47 wrote:
Xikwri Neyra & Gorump just have very very very bad sound , apart from that i dont thing they do anything radically diffrent from regular hard psy . im still interested in what ocelot mite have to offer in terms of abstract , non conventional psy .. yet dancer friendly .




But i thought they were the pioneers of the BPM race hehe - at that time it was experimental, now its normal
Basilisk
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Posted : Feb 19, 2007 18:00
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On 2007-02-19 07:25, full_on wrote:
There's always the old stuff that no DJ plays anymore. And you probably know that for most artists and DJs stuff released last month are soooo OLD.



Good music is good music... and that's what I play.

As for the thrust of the subject: I sympathize. Seldom do I ever hear a track like Mino's Mindblow containing strong tribal rhythms with a deep groove and psychedelic atmospheres. The captivating aspects of MOS - Drive and Radio seem to be beyond most artists these days. Still... however uncommon an approach may be, you are liable to strike gold if you go digging. In this case all you need is Triac's latest

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