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all ABOUT MOBILE BUSINESS IN JAPAN (PART 3)
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main_frame
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Posted : Feb 27, 2006 14:09
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The available product in Japan at the moment -- and are special to our site -- ither sites have no vlue about what trance really is -- but it just takes double time for each track to play ;-)
A. Current available in shops music as well as unreleased materials straight from artists computers.
(if i forgot to mention, it is all an non exclusive base -- we do not want to limit music distribution in any way, unles you want to limit it to enhance market direct distribution --- bemilim acherot --- your choice, not ours about exclusivenes)
B. Out of the market material, like wine, the older the better -- in any format we find it in, we have the people to clean it up for enjoyable listening experience via mobile phone Bluetooth enabled wireless virtual surround headphones.
Dj Tsuyoshi is our music editor and go over every track to make sure it pass certain level and quality benchmark --- i trust everyone knows tsyuoshi enough to be sure he will not let anything sound bad (technically, not his personal taste of course) -- to go through to customers. he is our time travelers and ambasador who can show you the site oin his global passport AU phone he takes with him from now on to give a chance to people to experience it all.
Since I'm trying to organize quite a big project -- it will help me a lot that even if you are not giving a damn about this business, or want to do it in future if at all, due to your own market decisions -- please make some sort of a comment here against it, or whatever.
COMMUNICATION is so important in this stage, and i want to feel what we all as a community think about this unavoidable future. LATOV VELARA.
You can schedule with tsuyoshi to meeting you in person if he get to your timezone for one of his events, and he will show you whats it all about -- if you into it, he can of course talk business and sign you in, even get you a release date as soon as he can, on a first come first serve basis when we all have the same goal, to upload to the network as much and as fast we can our electronic music mp4 encoded data.
If you have any technical question, please bring them up here, i will be happy to explain anything about it ---from security issues, to money and data collection, to what plagin in cubase or logic works best on normalizing MP4 tracks for mobiel distribution. lets have an open discussion about it and see where it goes.
or if you feel more comfortable to do it by mail - send them over to our info box which will then be filtered to the right person who deals with your issue and will be resolved in no time. (info@x-mode.jp) and from next month expect to enjoy the WWW presentation of our content promoting the online mobile service, offering basic services not only to KDDI AU mobile phone users, but to 50 million more users from the other 2 networks in Japan, and in future, step by step, at any of the global market networks, utilizing their particular system and mobile device unit.
Thank you again, sorry for the long message-- I just hope it communicate 6 month of development and a lot of attention to clear things up as much as I could in one streaming datafeed -- matrix loaded style.
SP„2.D2 --- X-File #0034827T/771
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TolTeK
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 08:21
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"oh oh"..."deja vu"...the Matrix has bugged the answers of this post ???... 
Anyway -> Goodluck Spyd-D, talk soon together
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Ken
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 08:35
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well looks like my reply got wiped for some reason.
Just like to know.
What comission artists get for listing a song on your download service?
How much are trax to download and what quality and format?
Can we listen to smaples before we buy trax over the cell phone?
Think I prefer to download from a website on my home computer where I can sample the songs but i realise many kids in Japan use cell phones only for web surfing.
Good luck to your project.
 The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
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main_frame
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 21:21
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Hi Loup -- sorry for not replying your email. talked to mon cheri today... remineded me my misbehaviour. pardon! ;-)
Ken --- im sorry your very detailed and well in place questions were deleted, i was about to answer them one by one but now we have to play it by the ear.
as i can see from your mail, your main concern, naturaly, is how can you be sure of the download information which related directly to your payment from the system.
i can just reply in the same manner that you can never be sure how much the record labels sale, how many they relly report you, and what is the real deal behind the scene.
different then the record labels, here i think there is a few factors that can help you trust the system.
first, you need to know that there is no way to proove to any artist that the data they recieve is true data. no matter what i will do, it will always be data that our company get from KDDI, we need to parse it per artist, and then send it over to each artist individualy. each artist data is private and can not be shared with others.
to help understand the volume of your own download relates to others without give the download private data away, we decided to have a "ranking" board which puts you in the right position, percentage wise, related to all other artists. Ranking will have "All Time" ranking (total download) and Top 50 of last month.
other then that it is a matter of trust really. our goal is to be the most reliable, up to date, service, and any mis information or data misinterpetations will be on our name forver. I think that is good enough reason to trust we are going to be honest, fair, and give as much information as we can to each artist.
morever, this is not just a simple ranking top 10 magazine stuff, we are dealing with money and taxes and balanced books, and in japan it is a very sirous business with quite a few tiers of control over the payments from the KDDI account to the artist.
now regarding format and downloads. the format for mobile phones in Japan is MP4 - MPEG4 in a special compression called AAC HE. reducing file size from 80MB WAV to 400KB!! with same quality, even you can have surround sound in that size.
the most amazing part of it is the security of the files. different from the files you can place on your homepage-- which can be - after downloaded - been duped to death... the MP4 files are downloaded into your mobile phone hard disk, and can not leave the phone, not via email, ultra red, bluetooth or direct USB connection to PC.
each file is encoded with a special "mark" that can be traced as well as a self destructing mechanism in cas ethe file is been our of the mobile phone.
total secure for a payment of 150 yen per track - 1 track per customer --
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main_frame
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 21:39
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last -- is the ringtones and video ringtones which worth 50 Yen at market avarage right now.
now our service has a few advantages over others that i trust will take other months of development and implementation to reach and by then we will excel in other ways.
our site is sound activated, means you can hear a sample of 6 second loop of each track before you download --- we cut the very special 6 seconds which people can recognise the track from and allow people to find what they want not by names and text but by their ear, and sounds they remember from the club. the whole experience of going through our mobile site is so pleasent, we notice people hanging out there downloading and listening to music.. its just a great way to shop for music.
we also have killer video ringtones out of X-ray massive video library -- 10 years of video creation now come to a time where it can be used outside DVD or club environment. nobody i know in Japan can match that.
and last -- to your questions -- if you can see the site or hear the sound before it goes live-- answer is no. unless you have a japanese secure mobile phone with the proper security elements, there is no way to access KDDI wireless network from the web. and we do not send the files over the interenet to prevent files from been lost and then distributed illigally hurting the artist way of living.
to see that, you need to or have a mobile japanese phone with global access, you can get those in any shop in japan, or when coming to japan, check it all out.
the concept is to make the whole process automatic. you will get a www page where you can submit WAV files, that then be uploaded to your page and be included in your next download report.
of course, you can stay traditional and rely on CD sales and MP3 downloads, but this goes nowehere, and the sooner you get yourself ready to the new way of music distribution -- the better you will be when the whole system will shift and change. our service offer you as an artist or record label to adjust to the change happening in Japan, take you by the hand and teach you step by step how to "do it" --- then when the wave of change will swift Europe (we estimate 6 months max) you will be ready, eductaed in the new techmology, and can work out new local deals with local wireless networks.
more then that, our service will grow globally with KDDI and we are in touch with european networks who are now getting ready for the coming change and setting up I-Tune style sites for mobile music-- and if we lay a deal with any network, you can jump with us on that deal, it will be offered to the whole network, and whoever wants will add another distribution network to their music.
the future is bright and full of collaboration and new ways to make honest money with your music without giving out to the big record labels and distribution institution which for years excluded Psy Trance of their shelves. now they will treat trance music as any other since the musicians are ready to sell what they want sell, and they have no way to oppose their personal taste over the music style.
Freedom - is just around the corner ;-)
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Ken
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Thank you your detailed answer spidey,
1) I think that artists have to trust you that they will get paid exactly what people download. As you said, yes they can get ripped off but you want to build a reputable business so why would you do that?
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On 2006-03-03 21:21, main_frame wrote:
now regarding format and downloads. the format for mobile phones in Japan is MP4 - MPEG4 in a special compression called AAC HE. reducing file size from 80MB WAV to 400KB!! with same quality, even you can have surround sound in that size.
the most amazing part of it is the security of the files. different from the files you can place on your homepage-- which can be - after downloaded - been duped to death... the MP4 files are downloaded into your mobile phone hard disk, and can not leave the phone, not via email, ultra red, bluetooth or direct USB connection to PC.
each file is encoded with a special "mark" that can be traced as well as a self destructing mechanism in cas ethe file is been our of the mobile phone.
total secure for a payment of 150 yen per track - 1 track per customer --
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So this means I must have a KDDI connected mobile phone and must listen to it on my phone. CANNOT COPY TO COMPUTER OR CD. I guess that makes my other question void: Is this mpeg 4 format CD quality? nice compression though.
3) Listening to Samples
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On 2006-03-03 21:39, main_frame wrote:
our site is sound activated, means you can hear a sample of 6 second loop of each track before you download --- we cut the very special 6 seconds which people can recognise the track from and allow people to find what they want not by names and text but by their ear, and sounds they remember from the club. the whole experience of going through our mobile site is so pleasent, we notice people hanging out there downloading and listening to music.. its just a great way to shop for music.
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That's great people are hanging out at your site listening and downloading. I know you said it is a SPECIAL 6 second loop of the song but can you really tell the story of the song iin 6 seconds, even if it is a special 6 seconds.
4) Price: 150 yen for a song sounds reasonable
How much of this goes to the artists? 100 yen and you keep 50 yen or the other way, you keep 100 and the artist gets 50 yen a track?
50 yen for 6 second looped ringtone! That's the antz pantz dude! Request: The melody at the start of Exaile - Radio Edit, The last melody in Crunchy Punch - Twin Freaks!!!!!!!!
5) Looks like you could get a new generation of trance music fans by offering songs over the KDDI mobile network. I know listening to songs on their mobile phones is real popular with kids in Japan. Can you please put subliminal messages in the songs like "fighting at trance parties is bad" or "throwing your cigarette buts in the forest is wrong"... stuff like that?
I reckon you're on a real money maker here. Could set you up for life Spidey! When you buy your yacht and sail around the world to awesome trance parties (like Etnica?) can I come too?
Having said that, this system doesn't work for a person like me who buys music for...
1) the love of it. Especially listening to it on quality systems and headphones.
2) DJing
3) my label
I know some people are DJing off their computer and there is a machine that lets you DJ from i-pod. If I can DJ from my cell phone, this system could work for me!!!..................... but do i need 2 cell phones??!!
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You're dreaming of that yacht aren't yer?
Good luck to you! I hope millions of kids download zillions of trance from your site and all the psytrance artists in the world get good money for their music and you get rich for your vision!
Bom!
The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
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main_frame
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 07:13
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On 2006-03-04 05:16, Ken wrote:
Thank you your detailed answer spidey,
1) I think that artists have to trust you that they will get paid exactly what people download. As you said, yes they can get ripped off but you want to build a reputable business so why would you do that?
Thats right. if we will start a new business model in which everything is transparent, in which no one is hiding nothing from the other but personal data --- a system that will be as open as any public database -- we might create the needed trust to base on a future industry. In all times there was the ones who broke the trust and created the bad energy and suspicion, but i trully believe that this system can be real transparent for the benefit of all.
I have no interest in the world to cut one artist payment, i was actually suggesting my partners to give in the first 6 month full payments to artists as a gesture of good faith. since we are planning on a long term relationship, why not start it with a gesture of good will. my partners who are concerned not of revenues but on the cost of this massive operation could not see it in the same eye, yet im working on it, it might just happen -- and if i can make it a rule, first 6 month are artist full revenues, i think i can create industry standards that will allow the ARTIST first make money of his music, as it should be, and have the service continue collect payment for long time to match the revenues. since a service deals with a lot of artists, it just makes sense!
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main_frame
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On 2006-03-04 05:16, Ken wrote:
So this means I must have a KDDI connected mobile phone and must listen to it on my phone. CANNOT COPY TO COMPUTER OR CD. I guess that makes my other question void: Is this mpeg 4 format CD quality? nice compression though.
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Ken -- the phone is just another I-Pod with as quality music as any other data music players. the new mobile phones are coming out with 4GB of hard drive -- twice the amount of Nano pod -- yet tracks are not 8MB each, they are max 1MB if you sample CD is super high quality. that makes the mobile phone 8 times at least if not 16 times bigger in space, and by that superior to Nano Pod at the moment.
Since the tracks are 100% secure --- i see no reason to sell tracks as MP3 any more. a product value is at its nature --- you will not value a product that you can in no time download in P2P software.
now dont forget we are in Japan, where people just NOT steal, not offend nobody, and the society as a whole is a law obiding one. the files are secure, if you ask me, for the future of this industry when it will break through outside Japan and into the western world duppli communism system.
KDDI is secure and it might look limited but 20 million users is not a small share, and the proof is in numbers, over 10 million tracks downloaded per month. lets not forget the NTT DOCOMO network with their 70 million users which sooner or later will merge in -- and we are about to hit a mass tidal wave in download. time to prepare now and get the database ready for Big Wednesday style wave.
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 07:43
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Last reply --- i must say about the money.
as far as i can see that, im not into Yacht shopping, or anything --- im more into investments in future securities -- so if indeed all this hard work (and trust me -- i never worked so hard in my life, and im known to be hard worker) --- it will not be a yacht i will buy but a (excuse my french) fucking massive club in which we all can rotate all year long, a big recording studio with tons of stations for artists to drop by and kick some ass right into the system, a school for electronic music, and a studio teaching visual design. thats my dream --- not be the school master -- but be one of the teachers of first year students and last year graduates -- guiding the next gen into this mad world-- and not suffer lack of tools as we did back then when i went to university and the concept of MOUSE was not yet in steve jobs dreams...
** speaking of money --- if you or anyone want to know the real deal --- its not that profitable at the moment. out of the 150 Yen the customer pays, KDDI and the secure server company taking about 80 Yen, which leaves 70 yen per track which splited 50/50 between the artist and the service.
and the magic ringtone--- 50 Yen customer price, 30 yen KDDI, 20 Yen revenue that is splitted as well.
I assume Ringtone will be gone very soon and will be an add on for the 150 track-- and VIDEO RINGTONE price will up to 100 yen.
its all in the flow right now and we are keeping our hands on the pulse daily.
Spy.d
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Ken
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 17:15
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Thanx Spy.d,
I'm not against you making money from this. I think its great. You have a vision and you work for it, you deserve to get paid. I wish you every success in this venture.
Just my personal situation is not good because I am a DJ and need to make CDs from the trax I download which I cant do with your system.
If I had a new phone with 4gig memory that I can use like an i-pod i would like your service for sure. Just one question: If I listen to music on your phone for a long time, how long before the battery runs out? Already I have to recharge my mobile phone everyday because I talk too much!!!
All the best!
The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 04:09
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now dont forget we are in Japan, where people just NOT steal, not offend nobody, and the society as a whole is a law obiding one.
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Off topic I suppose but this must explain why the majority of the dj's I know here play off of CDs burned from tracks they downloaded on p2p networks.... errr... wait.... well there goes that idea.
New Album: Jikkenteki - Flights Of Infinity
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Ken
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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 13:24
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>Jikkenteki
I'd have to agree with you. Downloading from psp networks has hit Japan big time! and this is the main problem affecting CD sales in Japan.
but I'm not sure about what DJs you know because I'd have to say the majority of the DJs I play with buy original CDs.
On the other hand "every" producer I know is using cracked sequencer and VST softwares... but that's way off topic.
The music was like new black polished chrome
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 16:49
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Ken:
Most of the semi-proper to proper DJs I have seen in the Kanto area are still playing from store boughten CDs, but out here in the sticks, pretty much all the younger DJs I known or have seen are playing at about a 1 store boughten to 6 downloaded CD ratio at best. One dj in this area has never boughten a cd from the store that I am aware of and always asks me what he new tunes should download before he has a gig (to which I usually reply "Nothing, I've been listening to old goa vinyl all month").
As for watt off topic artists and software, I can't really say as I don't really know most of the artists over here well enough personally to have gotten inside of their studios. However the one artist I really knew well bought just about all of his software, as do I. Everytime we met we'd compare our Cubase dongles to see whose has taken more abuse.
As for the cell phone download thing... as a DJ I too don't see much use in it yet. Maybe in a couple years when you can burn full DVD quality home movies from your cell phone, but at the moment.... (shrugs)
New Album: Jikkenteki - Flights Of Infinity
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Ken
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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 20:42
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Yep, tis a sad thing - the CD situation.
Glad to hear you're using software you bought but actually i dont mind people using cracked software to start, otherwise its damn expensive to find out if you have talent or not.
I think if you make money from your music you should definitely buy your software.
The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
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HIKARI
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Posted : Mar 16, 2006 16:13
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Good luck to Main_frame for your business hope it goes well.
As for Japan with CD`s, it looks like the days of buying CD`s is coming to an end.
downloading days are coming.
I think its a great opportunity to get the dying industry going again. |
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