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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 18:10
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Traveller you are one of a kind!!
What are you talking about?
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Bonji
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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 19:12
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Girls - 14
Guys - 28
So there won't be any problems, enough girls for everybody 
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mubali
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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 20:56
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Out here, there are usually age limits for certain indoor shows and that is usually 21 due to the service of alcohol. The outdoor fests are slightly different however. We usually don't have too many parents with younger children at our outdoors but there was this one Goa Gil show where they set up a "Kid's Camp" and allowed the children to be in a safe supervised place and the parents took turns watching the children.
What prevents many of the underage adolescents from attending many of the shows out here is simply due to the fact that they don't usually find out about the show. That combined with how far you usually had to travel to go to a psytrance show really cuts down on the "dipshit" factor.
Don't get me wrong, in many of the other electronic genre parties, there still are a lot of younger teen type kidz there, but those are also parties where Candy Ravers run rampant as well (102 reasons why I love Psytrance gatherings)
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 21:12
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On 2005-03-07 14:25, full_lotus wrote:
I don't want any age limits at a psy festival. I want to be able to attend a festival with my Wife and small son. If the parents are responsible parents, then the kids will come to no harm.
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One could argue that responsable parents wouldn't bring their kids to a psytrance festival ...
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The problems occur when parents are too out of their minds to look after their kids, and I have seen this not just on the psy scene.
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This isn't the only problem by a long shot! What about other festival goers that are too out of their minds? And frankly, you can't hold your kids hand all festival long so things can always go wrong. I think not wanting to see this is quite irresponsable.
And so what if things go wrong at other events that are not psytrance? How does that make it ok at a psytrance festival? It doesn't.
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It's a fallacy to say we have to protect youngsters etc at a psy gig because of the possibilty they may be offered drugs.
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Who says it is being offered? It can easily be slipped into a drink.
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Wake-up, they can get offered all this stuff at school or in their own neighbourhoods.
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So? Why add to the risks? And frankly you need to wake-up. There is a huge amount of drugs being taken at a psy festival. Much much more than at any school or whatever.
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I think all those people going on about age restrictions just don't want to have to deal with little kids running around when they themselves are out of it on this, that or the other.
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I think that many people don't really want to live up to the responsability of raising kids ...
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Ask yourself the question, 'Are you going to a music festival to enjoy the drugs you take or for the music?'
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No, ask yourself why OTHERS are going to a festival. Come on, we all know that towards the end of many festivals, there are alot of thefts and things like that going on. Stabbings at partys in Germany, even babies found in porta-loos (however you spell that). These really are NOT the safest environements for kids.
I think it is really delusional to think that everyone at a psy-festival is honnest and has the best intentions in mind ... Like you said, wake-up!
Not to mention simple things like caution with standing in front of speakers that could damage hearing. Even adults are often careless with this ...
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Here in the UK, we have a night called Whirl-Y-Gig, which alot of people used to go to in the days before Psy. They have a policy of allowing all ages in, and it's not uncommon to see babies and old age pensioners together. Another night in London, Planet Angel Chilled, runs in the day time on Sundays, and allows people who have kids and are into partying, to bring their kids to a safe indoor environment, where all can party.
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I think this is a very different kind of beast to a seven day psy-festival. Not really comparable.
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Sure psy is about being inclusive and not exclusive???? Sure if there are legal reasons etc, by all means have an age limit. 
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It is also about being smart, responsable and, dare I say it, enlightened. An age limit isn't a new concept by a long shot. Many ancient tribal rituals had "age limits" aka initiation/coming of age rituals.
Why do you want to bring your kid to a psy-festival anyway? For the kid? Or so that you can have fun yourself?
Go to a holliday resort or a camping with your kids and let them play with a spade and a bucket in the sand and meet other kids ...
There is always plenty of time for kids to discover psy-festivals when they grow-up. At least it will be special to them then and not something that has become mundane.
I really think that people that want to bring their kids to these festivals are either selfish or not very smart.
Btw, I picked on this post because there where many points that I wanted to contest. I could have picked on others or written a long monologue ... This was just handy.
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Mali
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 00:33
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I don't think children should be brought to a psy-festival. Loud music can dammage their hearing. And you never know what crazy people show up.
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Redlink
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 01:56
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+18 if you aren't with your parents!
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Mali
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 02:00
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On 2005-04-06 01:56, Redlink wrote:
+18 if you aren't with your parents!
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Depend in which country, in many places you are allowed by law to go anywhere when you are 16.
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 02:46
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bah I was starting to write something to these moralistic ´oh kids shouldnt go to party´ people but I wont...
let me just say something: in german festivals its no problem if you´re underage... Actually sometimes there are even underage djs.... |
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full_lotus
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 18:56
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To Undertow, I can not be bothered to reply to everyone of your points. Some of your comments have bordered on being personal attacks against me imho. You don't know me, and I don't know you. I stated my opinions and you have stated yours, but to say that parents who want to take their kids to psy festivals are either selfish or not very smart is very insulting to ALL psy parents, most of whom are the most enlightened people I have met on this scene. It's a VERY BIG generalisation to make. It's like saying all people into psychedelic trance are only into it because of the drugs.
Why do I want to take my child to a psy festival?? Well maybe because we can dance together, he can meet other kids from other families who are into psychedelic music, culture etc. When my kid is with me, I'm not going to even entertain the idea of ingesting anything that would be detrimental to my ability to look after my kid. I for one don't even go to the speaker stack myself as I am fully aware of the dangers of loud music. I have been to many outdoor psy events in the UK, where kids run around, and their parents are always(with a few exceptions) in control of their senses and behave in a responsible manner.
Anyway, I would only take my kid to a festival where kids are welcome. I would have taken him to Boom, as they have a Kids area, but he was a bit too young for that.
You think I'm naive?????? Well guess what, I'm not, but at least I try to have a positive attitude to psy and kids. On the forum I moderate, which is a well known UK psy forum, we have a Families section, because we recognise that people in this scene may grow older, have kids and still want to party, ableit not as much. But at least we can discuss these issues with other people in the same situation.
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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 19:17
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On 2005-04-06 18:56, full_lotus wrote:
I stated my opinions and you have stated yours, but to say that parents who want to take their kids to psy festivals are either selfish or not very smart is very insulting to ALL psy parents, most of whom are the most enlightened people I have met on this scene.
LOTUS I agree & sympathise with you.When I was in Solipse in 1999 there were loads of families with their kids and the atmosphere was beautiful.Kids playing between them,dancing with their parents etc...That was beautiful.
At least they saw something real and not just the fake projections that surround them.
In my opinion i wouldn't let kids in an indoor club for example but i find absoultely nothing wrong with bringign your kids with at a festival.
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Rain
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 23:35
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well here in belgium the biggest open air festival is the dance - a - delic festival and there is a 'child are' with fun for the kids so that the older partyanimals can bring their kids along...
still I don't think it's a good thing cause those kinds play around everywhere between lots of people on dope...
as a person who goes without his partens I would say 16 is the age to go out... and there is no difference between goa's, techno or metal because of the different drug use... for the gouvenrment drug isn't allowed so everything is the same.... |
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Rain
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 23:36
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* mistake sorry |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 7, 2005 00:08
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On 2005-04-06 18:56, full_lotus wrote:
To Undertow, I can not be bothered to reply to everyone of your points. Some of your comments have bordered on being personal attacks against me imho.
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Hi full_lotus,
You are right. I wasn't very nice to you in my post. I had some personal things making me very angry and I should never have blown of steam in your (or anyone's) direction.
I still don't think psy-festivals are the best place for kids but that is just my opinion.
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mono mono
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Posted : Apr 7, 2005 03:41
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For kids, going to a music festival is great experience. My father used to take us to bluegrass festivals up in the mountains and elsewhere. We loved the thrill of camping, playing in nature, playing with other kids, and even some of the music. Those festival goers were either hillbillies or hippies...and they both got drunk and stoned. Seems to me that a psy-festival is a potential funhouse for a kid- it helps to have other kids there.
Imagine all the kids at Burning Man. Probably more than a couple hundred. That environment is a bit more harsh in many more ways and the kids seem to love it. Fortunately, you don't see infants there. I always get a kick out of seeing a family, with the kids, and mom and dad are totally naked, except for perhaps the blue body paint. This is hearsay but i'd say the average age at Burning Man is probably in the low 30's. Perhaps this makes a difference?
Our east-coast U.S. psy-festivals are child friendly that's for sure and I'm sure our west coast bretheren can say the same.
Or, perhaps you're all concerned about going to a psy-festival and feeling like your in a kiddie place, like a McDonalds? Face it, if throngs of 15 and 16 year-olds show up, consider another genre, or better yet, create one.
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Riton
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Posted : Apr 7, 2005 08:33
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burning man... saw a documentary about it... looks crazy! |
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