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About the terms good and bad
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Alex
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 18:15
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So can they be applied refering to taste, music... or, even more, to anything else?
I mean, you can be at a party and say to someone: "Hey, this DJ has a good/bad taste, he is playing so good/bad tunes that etc."
But, I think it's a mistake to say it. Probably your partner or someone else thinks different from you. So, in my opinion, if we want to describe our feelings, thoughts about something, we have to describe them from our own point of view, always considering and respecting that there will surely be someone that will not agree with you. Then, it's very difficult/impossible? to catalogue/label things, because they mean different for every person, including those things that we think that are common among a majority.
I don't know if I am explaining too well, but do you catch my point of view?
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s0ft
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 00:14
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From a philosophical p.o.v there is no bad & there is no good. There is only - efficient and inefficient.
About music: taste is subjecting and its very convenient to use 'bad' or 'good' words
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 01:07
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There's no good or evil. If a lion kills a zebra is he evil?
You can read the whole book here (Nietzsche - Beyond Good and Evil):
http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/Nietzsche/beyondgoodandevil_tofc.htm
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 02:34
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I disagree...
There is good and bad quality though...and some tracks do have much more quality than others....
also, some tracks mix together better than others, musically and sound speaking
Some DJ´s use the eq much better than others....
so yeah...when talking about a tracks and Djs, some aspects will depend on taste, some will feel its good some will think its bad.
But some other aspects are just either good or bad...
boomz 
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 05:35
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i know what u mean man.
Terms good and bad could/should ,by their own nature, mean that it is "you" (in general) who distributes these values thus the word good/bad is as subjective as "you" are. What im trying to say is that we shouldn't have to put "i think" before describing sth as good/bad,it should be taken as granted from the start that how we evaluate things has to do with us and our perception of these things related to all the language/symbols that we have imprinted during our young age.
oh well ... 
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 07:08
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I also agree with FluoSamsara. 
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Alex
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 22:25
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I disagree...
There is good and bad quality though...and some tracks do have much more quality than others....
also, some tracks mix together better than others, musically and sound speaking
Some DJ´s use the eq much better than others....
so yeah...when talking about a tracks and Djs, some aspects will depend on taste, some will feel its good some will think its bad.
But some other aspects are just either good or bad...
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Mmmm, yeah I agree with you on that.
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i know what u mean man.
Terms good and bad could/should ,by their own nature, mean that it is "you" (in general) who distributes these values thus the word good/bad is as subjective as "you" are. What im trying to say is that we shouldn't have to put "i think" before describing sth as good/bad,it should be taken as granted from the start that how we evaluate things has to do with us and our perception of these things related to all the language/symbols that we have imprinted during our young age.
oh well ...
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True, if we had to remember everytime that what are we saying is from our own point of view it would be too cloying.
I only dislike when people makes an statement about things with that "security that what they state is the better/only good thing or so".
Thanks for your opinions. |
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 22:57
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stop being so politicly correct theres shit music out there if some people think that my favorite music is shit who cares about them as i think the people that listening to the music that i call shit shouldnt care about what i say |
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 23:49
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On 2006-01-22 22:57, psy^soldier wrote:
stop being so politicly correct theres shit music out there if some people think that my favorite music is shit who cares about them as i think the people that listening to the music that i call shit shouldnt care about what i say
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Well said. I agree.
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Alex
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 00:10
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stop being so politicly correct theres shit music out there if some people think that my favorite music is shit who cares about them as i think the people that listening to the music that i call shit shouldnt care about what i say
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It's not about being politicly correct or not, it's just about respect to others thoughts.
For example: imagine that you are at a party and you state to a guy: hey that is pure shit (as you think it is). Maybe the guy you are talking to is a good-old friend of the dj and he likes what is being played. So I don't think it's the way to act.
I'm not saying that for me there is no shit music out there, I'm just saying that what for ones is shit, for others maybe no. Just that.
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 00:27
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the real definition of bad music is low sound quality, really. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 01:00
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wtf is shit music? sounds obscene... of course there are people hooking up a mic and record while they shit.. if they want to call it music its up to them... 
_________________ joke over
i think manytimes it depends on what state of mind you are in and the surroundings, if you like the music or not.
Of course we all have our preferences, and with time and experience they can change...
to call music shit just cause you dont understand it or can relate to it is a little narrowminded...
its good to question music... but most of the time it speaks for it self...
i think its difficult to say music is bad or shit, i just think that i dont understand it..
while others do... so i am happy for them, but some people can patronize others just for this sake, instead of feeling happy for them, its like when kids play in a group and some of them dont understand the rules, so instead they try to destroy the game for everybody.
But if somebody explain the rules for them... then they can decide if they want to join in and play the game with the rest... though it might take time for them to like the game...
well it can be more abstract than that, cause some music is made by somebody whit no feeling and experience at all... so the music becomes a mystery, even for the creator...
and then we have music that is made after a trend and sometimes holds no or very little personal value...
Ask a artist that is knowledgeable and knows how music works to make shit music...
how would he do it? probably throw in a series of random irritating sounds going over and over again...
ops, maybe that is what they call psytrance 
maybe i dont make any sense at all
but i think that its good to be polite and respect other peoples opinions and views,(though even i can have a hard time doing so) to think they are wrong and to be able to explain why you think they are wrong is a very good quality... people sometimes build their life around a opinion, even if its not good or even logical.. if we judge them, we judge our self...
i should really listen to my self sometimes hehe
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 01:03
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On 2006-01-23 00:27, Fragletrollet wrote:
the real definition of bad music is low sound quality, really.
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not always... in this calculation of yours you have no emotional value..
so as long as there are crisp and clean sounds and mainstream standard production the music is good?
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