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Ableton VS Logic summing quality THE unexpected

monno
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Posted : Jun 20, 2015 23:24
All other things being equal straight up streaming of 1-2 audio tracks with no effects and other funny business should sound about as identical is is possible from one app to the next. It´s only when doing heavy mixing and using effects the differences come into play. I much prefer Ableton for a live performance, but i have all things warp disabled and generally play things "safe". Logic is for the studio, since i cannot get over my ill will towards the general workflow in Live. It´s a very flexible audio player though.           Mastering available here:
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splikz


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Posted : Jun 22, 2015 03:00
one thing that I don't understand in ableton live is the HiQ button. it's supposedly for transposing purposes, but apparently it affects the samples playback.
why isn't everything with the highest possible quality by default?
frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 22, 2015 15:42
This is an easy one.


"HQ mode effects which Sample Rate Conversion algorithm Ableton uses if it is PLAYING a clip which has a different Sample Rate to that of the current Session."

(this is from their forum, a topic with similar question)

Quite interesting posts here overall Cheers


splikz


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Posted : Jun 22, 2015 22:08
it affects the playback... and maybe the render of sample too.

if I had to pick another daw for mixing purposes, I would go for cubase. but it would be a waste.
so I would chose for steinberg Sequel 3. cheap, simple and with steinberg quality.
frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 23, 2015 15:08
Thing is, it doesn't affect anything related to rendering or recording. It only takes effect on files with a different sample rate then that of the current session.

So it's a very handy and welcome feature, even.

The other "HQ" functions in Ableton, and pretty much anywhere else, sometimes have to do with "oversampling", which is also something normal, since engaging it will introduce a lot of latency. Being so, it's natural that they leave the option to the user, since you might need to keep the latency down for some recording you have to do, for example. There's also quality options for the reverb, which is also normal since Reverb is one of the major cpu hogs - even used for audio production system benchmarks, for a reason. And you can find this across many very successful devices like Diva or Massive even - some kind of "preview" and "high quality" modes. Or oversampling choices. It's good that it's up to the user to decide which option is better for any given situation.

On general, I think you're better off focusing on your actual material and tools, rather then obsessing about esoteric under the hood specs. However, I think there's much more flexibility, for mixing, in a software like Logic or Cubase (or the infamous Pro Tools) then Ableton, specially when it comes to routing. And nowadays they have the VCA faders and stuff like that, that can make one's life a bit easier.

But saying so doesn't mean that the added features will make your mix sound better. No. They'll just make the whole process a little bit more comfortable. What mainly changes with this features is the flow. With the VCA faders, for example, you can leave all your automation and bus sends like they were and have one fader to control all the channels assigned to it, regardless of other routings and automation and bus sends and stuff like that. In other words, it's just quicker. That's it.

There's tons of perfectly accomplished artists and musicians using nothing other then Ableton for everything. And not a single soul is complaining about their sound quality. What really matters is what you do with the tools you have. Like monno said, and I subscribe, what really matters when choosing a software is considerations about the work flow, if you think you'd do the stuff you do quicker and more effectively - and of course this is a very subjective thing, it's a personal choice.
piXan
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Posted : Sep 15, 2015 04:32
If i want to really play live , ableton is the way to go. If playing push then cubase/logic will sound better, since you dont have to deal with warping.           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
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