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Ableton 8 specific Psy Tricks!

willsanquil
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Posted : May 12, 2010 22:02
cool trick with audio effect racks and lead sounds.

The goal of this technique is to have the top end of your sound and the bottom end of your sound altered in different ways - my favorite sofar is to have the bottom end relatively unchanged but to have the top end morph and twist around:

drop an audio effect rack in, create two chains each with an EQ8 in there. Name one High and one Low, on the High set the EQ8 to a high-pass and the Low to a low-pass - try to split your sound in half, use a spectrum analyzer to see where your sound lives.

Now just throw effects on the different parts, I like to put a redux, an auto-pan, an auto-filter set to bandpass with LFO enabled....stuff like that.

try having an autopan on both low and high but with slightly different settings - pretty trippy.            If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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willsanquil
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Posted : May 31, 2010 01:58
Return Track stuff...

Keep in mind that with Live, if you freeze a track and then bounce it to another track, that audio segment will not be affected by the return tracks in your project - meaning that if you want to bounce down a section for processing you must 1:1 record into another track

alternatively if you would like to process just the return track audio, simply change the output of the send in question to an audio track instead of the master, this is useful for when you want to change only the send (like a delay fed back upon itself) but not the original sound + the send

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Maine Coon
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Posted : May 31, 2010 15:40
It’s not really a trick, but a little discovery that may be useful to somebody. I created a pad and was playing with it. Like most pads, mine had slow attack and release phases. So, I had several chords going one after another with no pause in between – I wanted something like waves of sound coming one after another with a bit of an overlap. And it worked, except I kept on hearing an annoying click once in awhile – like there was a note with a very fast attack or release. Took me awhile to figure out what’s going on...

After muting notes one by one I figured that the click happens when a note is followed by another one of the same pitch. Then the release phase of the earlier note suddenly cuts off the moment you trigger the next one. I went to Operator’s global settings (click on the bottom right strip) and made sure I have enough voices enabled. No difference. But there is another setting there – “Retrigger”, right next to the number of voices. When it is activated (and it is activated by default), it will look for cases just like the one I had – multiple instances of the same note – and will retrigger the note instead of creating a new voice for it. It saves processing power. That’s why my fade in/out did not work when the pitch stayed the same. Once I disabled the “Retrigger” option, clicks disappeared.
dija
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Posted : Jun 1, 2010 23:24
What about the kontakt kick trick someone posted using kontakt modulators. I figured out how to get the pitch bend effect on the sampler in ableton but how do i slow the loop of the kick i want it slow then faster. When I automate the LFO amount it drops out parts and I hear silence when the LFO should be at full volume. I couldn't find my original post so I thought I'd ask here.           http://www.youtube.com/user/trawhi (tutorials)
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Posted : Jun 3, 2010 12:36
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On 2010-05-12 22:02, willsanquil wrote:
cool trick with audio effect racks and lead sounds.

The goal of this technique is to have the top end of your sound and the bottom end of your sound altered in different ways - my favorite sofar is to have the bottom end relatively unchanged but to have the top end morph and twist around:

drop an audio effect rack in, create two chains each with an EQ8 in there. Name one High and one Low, on the High set the EQ8 to a high-pass and the Low to a low-pass - try to split your sound in half, use a spectrum analyzer to see where your sound lives.

Now just throw effects on the different parts, I like to put a redux, an auto-pan, an auto-filter set to bandpass with LFO enabled....stuff like that.

try having an autopan on both low and high but with slightly different settings - pretty trippy.


Nice trick!
There are some more multiband tricks:

in EQ8 you have an option to process mono and stereo signals separately, just switch it to M/S mode. Now you can Lowpass the mono bass and Hipass and tweak it's stereo content.

another one: the tightest cutoffs in Live can be achieved not in Autofilter or EQ8, but EQ3 : it has 48 db mode. So you just need to turn off H or L and tweak teir Freq to get a 48db cutoff           

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willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 6, 2010 06:11
Additional reverse reverb tricks...

Ok, so everyone knows the trick where you reverse audio, put reverb on it, then reverse it afterwards and it creates a very interesting effect....but what if you want to mess with just the reverb by itself, not the reverb + the original audio?

instead of using reverb on the audio track itself, send the reversed to a long wet reverb and then route that audio to another track that you are recording (instead of the master). Then apply FX (redux, grain delay, light distortion works well), bounce, reverse and play that 1:1 alongside your original audio...or 1:1 record the two tracks into one track and process further from there if desired.
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Kryten
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Posted : Jun 7, 2010 16:25
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On 2010-06-03 12:36, 1Sun wrote:
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another one: the tightest cutoffs in Live can be achieved not in Autofilter or EQ8, but EQ3 : it has 48 db mode. So you just need to turn off H or L and tweak teir Freq to get a 48db cutoff



+1 , this I always use to cut my Low and High Ends.

Another one I found recently:
Instead of using a sidechain compression to duck the whole sounds of a track (i.e. the bass), in ableton its possible to build a multiband compressor with a rack and EQ-8's.

With that method you can duck only the clashing frequencies, so you dont get that typicall sidechaining sound...

Theres a quite new video from Mr. Bill explaining that, but I cant find the link right now.

Cheers,
Kryten
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 7, 2010 21:50
The Ableton manual says EQ3 is not transparent in 48dB mode, sounds to me like it's due to resonances at the turnover frequencies. I've stopped using it.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 7, 2010 22:28
Wouldn't chaining two 24 dB EQs/filters give you a 48 dB effect?
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Posted : Jun 7, 2010 22:38
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On 2010-06-07 22:28, Maine Coon wrote:
Wouldn't chaining two 24 dB EQs/filters give you a 48 dB effect?

probably and probably with a different slope           

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willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 7, 2010 22:41
yeah I don't use EQ3s....I like to be able to physically see the curve of the filter, otherwise I don't trust it. I use EQ8 for most things, but use Voxengo Gliss for cutting the low out of my bass            If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 7, 2010 23:14
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On 2010-06-07 22:38, 1Sun wrote:
Quote:

On 2010-06-07 22:28, Maine Coon wrote:
Wouldn't chaining two 24 dB EQs/filters give you a 48 dB effect?

probably and probably with a different slope



It would indeed give a 48dB/oct slope. I use Waves Q4 stacked up in just this way (24dB/oct is as steep as I normally ever need). AFAIK the slope would only be different if the two 24dB/oct filters were rolling off at different frequencies.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 09:36
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On 2010-06-07 23:14, Colin OOOD wrote:
Quote:

On 2010-06-07 22:38, 1Sun wrote:
Quote:

On 2010-06-07 22:28, Maine Coon wrote:
Wouldn't chaining two 24 dB EQs/filters give you a 48 dB effect?

probably and probably with a different slope



It would indeed give a 48dB/oct slope. I use Waves Q4 stacked up in just this way (24dB/oct is as steep as I normally ever need). AFAIK the slope would only be different if the two 24dB/oct filters were rolling off at different frequencies.


I thought a bit, and guess the slope will have only a different angle) The beginning and the end of a slope resulting from 2 equal slopes will be the same as in given slopes, only the lower point will be twice lower, so actually it will be a 48db cutoff at a given frequency.           

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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 15:53
Sorry but I don't understand what you're trying to say there. Please can you try explaining again?

Theoretically, a single 48dB/oct filter should give identical results at all frequencies to two 24dB/oct filters, as long as Fc for all filters is the same.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 21, 2010 03:51
More free sets from Ableton!
Leeching as we speak from
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P.S. Will, there is a typo in the SoundCloud link in your signature.
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