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A Matter of Taste
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 13:00
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I like sushi. I love it. It's not that it's got a sharp taste or anything, but the elegance it manages to wrap up using bland elements adds up to so much more.
I also like steaks. Medium rare, maybe even rare. A bit of blood in there just gives it sooooo much taste. It's not very elegant. It's not very complex. But man, they just hit the spot like nothing else sometimes.
This is the story of progressive psytrance - the electronic sushi. The elegance and smootheness go a long way beyond the basic elements which sound simple and sometimes bland to people who aren't accustomed to it. This is also the story of full-on. Subtleties are not something really important there, it's just that it's an overload of primal flavors, and sometimes, nothing fits in place quite as much.
The major problem I see here is the way people avoid bad taste. Or unwanted tastes. Any chef knows that you need to add a bit of salt to make cookies taste not just good, but amazing. Caviar is not famous for being delicious, it's famous for being... well, with a taste like caviar.
Aphex Twin built his carreer not on having only good taste, but rather combining things that are decidedly WRONG together. Yet he created something that whatever you say about it is special and unorthodox. Just like watermellon and feta cheese, which by all possible logic should taste horrible together, makes something that many people find so much tastier than each one alone - not because of the good taste, but because it has a lot of taste.
What I'm saying is this - enough with sticking to good taste. Sometimes those esoteric special blends are the ones you remember... but for some reason, unlike techno, IDM, house, finnish psytrance and the likes, this never really caught on in the either the main or even the newer forms of psytrance scene (not since 1996 or so). Sometimes, something special is more memorable and more powerful than something good. Sometimes in order to make something very special, it can't be pure.
I don't like rice-crackers. There's nothing I can point in them as bad. They're just the most boring food ever invented.
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 13:22
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So basicly what you are saying is
A)Progressive trance is very complex and elegant. In other words, requires tons of skills to create.
B)Full on is tasty but really simple. In other words, anyone can do it.
by the way I don't like sushi. I mean sure it looks neat and all that but it doesn't really have any taste in it. Do like some other raw fish though.. Scando food =)
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 13:52
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I never said anyone can do it. Most people are clueless with a slab of meat and a BBQ, let alone the sauce-work. It's still an art, even though not nearly as subtle as sushi.
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drooid
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 13:58
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i love it kaz. well done! ... or should i say medium rare?? hehe, i'm vego anyway 
its funny cos food is my second passion only to music, closely followed by analogies 
thanks for the smile
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Surrender
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 15:31
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kaz, good sushi/sashimi should not contain any blood, if it does it means the cut of the fish is not from the main part, but from the tail area which is sometimes used as "fillet" for these cases....
traveller, try to eat sushi anywhere in the northwest coast of north america (Vancouver specifically) or in Japan, you will see they dont use soy to drown the fish and flavor it like the rest of the world cause the fish they use are the correct fish and are so fresh that they are bursting with flavor.
back to kaz, cool analogie mate... variety is key.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 15:33
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dunno, i like steaks and i like deep house. dont like elegant food but have to have my music intelligent.
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 16:37
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 18:54
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?? i said about myself. kaz, when im speaking im mostly say things that are about me, no judge others, no analys future..
u says at your post about taste, that we should stop stick to good taste.. what have we to do ?? stick to bad taste ??
sure unreguelar things come not from good known sources but from researches. a part of a thing we call "good taste" is a search after new and fresh, at least thats what i call good taste.
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 19:03
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On 2003-11-10 13:00, kaz wrote:
Aphex Twin built his carreer not on having only good taste, but rather combining things that are decidedly WRONG together.
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imo, his career builted not coze he have a good taste but becoze he have a incredible taste!! he can make it in very different way and with highest quality. and dont forget charisma, that is a very importent thing in music career, as deep you belive in yourself and your music and how u can make others belive in same thing.
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blue elf
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 19:27
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what does charisma got to do with it? it's not michael jackson or something like this.
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 19:28
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 20:12
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cant argument absolute truth:)
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 20:18
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but u sure intelligent enough to understand that human presonality is a thing that work like - well, i c this dude have a great respondings from a crowd and all, lets i will make same thing, its a good taste he will complain.
there is no chance for a situation u will find 60000000 ppl with OWN taste.
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 20:20
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On 2003-11-10 19:27, blue elf wrote:
what does charisma got to do with it? it's not michael jackson or something like this.
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what ?? aphex sold some golden albums and got premier gigs. do u realy think only becoze a music ?? pure music ?? come on..
this hairfull stranger do it for many ppl, thousands want to SEE him, in the desert rave here in israel 5000 came to hear him and most was very very dissapointed, its a charisma of him brought all this ppl to desert but his music doesnt worked well for them.
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